Reverse cultural and racial appropriation.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UwJF0ioUeM[/youtube]
Versus…
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFTPCn3BEMw[/youtube]
as I refuse to watch video’s that are meant to make the argument for
the poster… posting video’s are a very, very lazy way of making arguments…
you just want the right to keep your myths and habits and prejudices
against anyone who isn’t you… so you can be prejudice against
anyone who doesn’t look like you or think like you…
you just don’t have the courage of your convictions to actually
speak the truth that you want to have prejudices and you want to be
able to act upon those myths and prejudices that you are so proud of…
you want to able to discriminate or be prejudicially against those
who don’t look like you or think like you…you just don’t have
the guts to say so…
Kropotkin
Yes, by all means ignore other people’s views that might contradict yours as that sort of strategy has always worked for learning or understanding. 
[quote=“Zero_Sum”]
[quote=“Peter Kropotkin”]
as I refuse to watch video’s that are meant to make the argument for
the poster… posting video’s are a very, very lazy way of making arguments…
you just want the right to keep your myths and habits and prejudices
against anyone who isn’t you… so you can be prejudice against
anyone who doesn’t look like you or think like you…
you just don’t have the courage of your convictions to actually
speak the truth that you want to have prejudices and you want to be
able to act upon those myths and prejudices that you are so proud of…
you want to able to discriminate or be prejudicially against those
who don’t look like you or think like you…you just don’t have
the guts to say so…
Z: Yes, by all means ignore other people’s views that might contradict yours as that sort of strategy has always worked for learning or understanding.
K: and missing my point… if I post a video supporting my position, that is being lazy…
I don’t look at video’s regardless if they are against OR support my position…
because posting video’s is a very, very lazy way to post… it doesn’t matter if it contradicts me
or not, it is about the posting of the video… not the position taken…
Kropotkin
One of the most highlighted aspects of the failure of democracy in the United States is having immigration laws already in place but at the same time there being no political will to enforce them especially in United States sanctuary cities. Just get a look at this Californian mayor that warned illegal immigrants prior to an ICE (Immigration Customs Enforcement) raid to leave the area.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libby_Schaaf
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB6wGOkkkms[/youtube]
K: and once again with the lazy video… which I ignored…
and I agree with the mayor… the damage that these raids do
to families and cities far, far outweigh any damage a one or even
a few immigrants might do… the crime rate for immigrants doesn’t
seem to have any impact or very little impact on the overall crime rate…
if you can somehow make a connection between the rate of crime and
immigrants, please make your case… and use facts which can be researched please…
instead of just making shit up…
Kropotkin
K: well, this is as close to a real argument as I can expect from you…
take away your video’s and you wouldn’t even have a reason to post here…
so, you still haven’t made any sort of argument against multicultural or
multiracialism and you haven’t made any sort of argument against immigrants
and crime… but no real surprise here…shallow thinkers like yourself have
nothing to say anyway…but hay, enjoy watching video’s…or perhaps
return to cartoons…they seem to be more your speed anyway…
Kropotkin
A lot of strange things here, but let’s focus on South Africa: 1) the whites in South AFrica were not a new minority, they’d always been a minority. 2) balkanized multiculturally is pretty much an oxymoron. But in any case apartheid was a balkanization, os if this is a bad idea, it was a bad idea by the Europeans. 3) Check out the Boer Wars to see that two groups with European backgrounds managed to balkanize and treat each other disastrously in South Africa. 4) South Africa has been a disaster for a long long time. The precise form of this may have changed - though I am skeptical the brutality against groups with less power is now worse than it was pre-Mandela release - but has always been a disaster.
Take a look at the history of the various AFrican nations when the European colonial powers were not democracies, but extensions of private corporations or under direct control of European Royalty. Vicious, horrible governments for the majorities in most cases. Obviously complex phenomena like that include benefits to the majorities also, but your post makes it seems like democracy leads to problems, when horrible problems were there before, and that balkanization has to do with multiculturalism, which it does not, and the problems that majorities and minorities face did not suddenly get worse when there were transitions to full democracy. I have no doubt that whites now suffer some of the same kinds of abuses that blacks experienced under apartheid, those not rich enough to avoid the problems. They don’t face all the abuses the blacks did however or to the same degree.
I could post stats of black on white crime and illegal immigrants making up the bulk of violent crime or various other crimes in border states but I don’t see the need to because you’ll just ignore all of it anyways.
So one form of historical injustice justifies a new kind of injustice? I am having a hard time following you here. Democracy increases pre-existing problems especially if you live in a nation as a minority.
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I never argued the first point, nor do I believe that. But I may have written poorly. My point was that it seemed like you were arguing that democracy and multiculturalism led to unfairness and abuse. To me these predate democracy and multiculturalism, even, perhaps especially in the countries you mentioned. Minorities have been horribly treated inside oligarchies, monarchies and autocracies - the last being your choice of government. I was also pointing out that South AFrican whites did not become a minority, they were one before. That Europeans before multiculturalism treated managed to treat minorities (and majorities for that matter) terrible, see the Boer wars for how that worked out in South AFrica. Balkanization is probably less the case in democracies and under multicultural values, though that is complicated, but to blame balkanization on multiculturalism and democracy doesn’t fit history very well. Perhaps there is some future non-democratic, non-multicultural government that will not balkanize society, but 1) now we are speculating wildly and 2) that doesn’t really provide any evidence that all the balkanization we have created up to now is caused by those governments/values, since balkanization was present and in fact easier to create under non-democratic regimes. In the old days, the government would often order the deaths of minorities or forced conversion or organized ghettoization. This has been based on religion and race and also on national backgrounds of minorities and autocracies have been quite capable of fucking with or wiping out minorities despite not being democracies. A look at South America and you can see that all forms of government managed to fuck with kill ghettoize steal from native peoples: that includes dictatorships, democracies (and least they are purported to be democracies), socialist governments, republics and oligarchies. The right to vote for somebody does not give people power, particularly, or the poor would not be so victimized by the rich in democracies (or purported ones, I only see oligarchies). South AFrica certainly managed to abuse minorities and majorities before it was a democracy and it doesn’t suprise me that it continues to afterward. If the idea is that democracy is no protection against abuse of minorities well, sure. But to blame it is off. Some purported democracies and republics include laws to prevent majority abuse of minorities. Llike even if the majority wants to vote to kill all redheads, they cannot. So there are limits, though not necessarily effective ones. People who have more power in all forms of government abuse those who have less.
Democratic politics of when other ethnicities become the majority represented in government. Watch this, very profound. 
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C3aL8TLM94[/youtube]
Well, the Boer argument I’ve heard from various Dutch is that where South Africa was colonized it was originally sparsely populated if at all which is how they formed the nation of South Africa. Only after South Africa was colonized did nearby tribes of African people move into the area.
At any rate however you want to spin it democracy only works for a majority of a population at the detriment of any given minority where essentially democracy cannot work in a racially or culturally balkanized area. Democracy even concerning the illusion of its functioning or efficiency in ideal form can only function in a homogenous nation. The moment you have numerous cultures and races in a nation democracy essentially grinds down to a political gridlock of various groups pursuing their own self interests against each other or when one dominant group emerges by default in population dictates the decisions of the nation to everybody else by sheer voting numbers. Once again, another failure of democracy.
K: stats of illegal immigrants making up the bulk of violent crime? then you be a liar…
nothing more…mind you, I live in a “border” state…
and you still haven’t proven your initial thesis which is “the failure and
disaster of Multicultrural-multiracialism”… whereas to prove my point which is multiculticultrual
and multiracialism is a success I simply have to compare society today with society 200 years ago…
and that succcess comes from the example set by the enlightenment example of tolerance
and acceptance of other people and the loss of myths and habits and prejudices and
superstitions of society through education…
Kropotkin
Those are some strange Dutch you talked to. They should know from elementary school that the Boer wars were between those of Dutch descent and the British Empire. My point was that Europeans managed to treat each other terribly in non-democratic times. IOW with democracy and without democracy you have abuse of minorities. With Europeans without Europeans you have abuse of minorities. With national socialism and with oligarchies you have abuse of minorities. In all of these you also have abuse of majorities, the most clear example being the abuse of workers and poor by the upper classes.
As far as black africans coming in, a lot of them came in because the Dutch colonists imported them as slaves. So they can blame themselves for 1) abusing minorities 2) turning them into majorities. But that’s not the issue I was focusing on.
I don’t know a single example of a homogenous democracy that did not have minority abuse of the majority AND majority abuse of some category of humans: children, servants, women. I don’t think we’ve had a true democracies, I see oligarchies, but you seem to think you know that democracy works in homogenous societies. I can’t think of an example of this. Maybe on some commune somewhere, but not at the state level.
To me it seems like a failure of humans, period. I see no other form of government and certainly not national socialism avoiding the abuse of minorities.
You think that democracy and multiculturalism are the problems. I don’t see anything that has worked. Anything. So when you keep repeating your judgments of democracy and multiculturalism it is a confused response. I am not saying they have worked. I just think it makes no sense to see them as causal. They are another failed model amongst many.
You also mention ‘one dominant group emerges’. As far as I can tell your proposed government will have one dominant group ruling, even one individual, you. I don’t have much faith, and it would be faith, that this would either be stable or not have that person abusing minorities - political groups, for example - or abusing the majority as autocracies always have.
Sure, people have been touting democracies as great when they are not, but that doesn’t mean the problems that occur in democracies have been solved anywhere else or that democracy is causal. You also seem to think that majorities necessarily oppress minorities in democracies, where I see the rich, a minority abusing the majority. Which is part of why I call the so called democracies oligarchies. Get it, this is not a defense of democracies, this is me saying 1) what democracies? 2) you seem to think something else works, but give no historical justification. 3) I am connecting it to the form of government you want, one that has a terrible history and one that abuses minorities 4) you are acting like democracies cause certain bad things, but I see those things present before democracies in those countries and in all other forms of government, so saying democracy is causal is unsupportable.
Yes, obviously the Boer wars had everything to do with a war being waged against the British also. The Dutch initial colonization of South Africa however once again shows that at the time the area was sparsely populated if at all where large populations of native Africans didn’t come until after the fact. Yes, the importation of slaves was a big part of that. Please note that I don’t advocate the usage of slavery and find it a horrendous practice just like everybody else. The difference is that an autocracy doesn’t give lip service to the false ideal of equality as democracy does where democracy fails to live up every time to its own ideals. Autocracy has no need of foolish childless ideals by comparison however a collectivist autocracy the kind I advocate for stresses the understanding that society is organic just as everything else in life where if there are ways of mitigating social harmony by leveling the socio economic playing field such policies should be sought after.
Switzerland is a great example of a homogenous style of democratic government, Iceland as well.
Yet even purely homogenous democracies I find to be inefficient in organizing the various underpinnings of society or a nation. All I was saying is that for the argument of efficiency homogenous democracies work better than multicultural or multiracial ones, they tend to last longer historically. Nonetheless even homogeneous democracies have a way of collapsing on themselves overtime also which is why I am not democratic. My comments was merely making a comparison between homogenous and non-homogenous democratic societies.
Your argument of what works depends on your definition of a working society.
The autocrat being myself? No, I have no desire to be the autocrat myself if I can help it. To be an autocratic leader of a nation requires a tremendous amount of responsibility in leading others.
The type of government I support would be heavily against oligarchy by the way. I understand the problems of oligarchy within democracies all too well living in an oligarchic totalitarian democratic nation myself. Also, understand the democratic oligarchic ruling party has a way of dividing people against each other to take the focus off of themselves which can easily translate into an ethnic majority terrorizing an ethnic minority.
In a homogeneous society or nation such racial and ethnic conflict is nonexistent by comparison.
Watching the disaster of a multicultural multiracialism democracy in South Africa is like seeing a preview of how the same thing will turn out for the rest of western civilization. South Africa along with Zimbabwe are currently the only nations where white Europeans exist as a minority.
They’re both nations where we can see the vengeful policies on European whites once they’ve been declared under minority status.
In South Africa of course the majority ethnicity is African yet concerning future trends for the rest of the west the majority ethnicity in the United States will be Mexican, in Canada/ Australia the majority ethnicity will be Asian, and finally for western Europe the majority ethnicity will be African/Middle Eastern. The ethnicities may differ but the subjugation of European peoples as a new minority in failing democracies will be the same, it will play out the same way all throughout the west.
Here is the new leader of South Africa talking about land appropriation without compensation of white European Afrikaaners.
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNmhgYIELCA[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6ETkB75a4U[/youtube]
Best of luck to our Boer Afrikaaner friends overseas in their collective struggle but I think they’re outnumbered and should instead make a tactical strategic retreat to areas of the world where we’re still a majority.
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