The Failure And Disaster Of Multicultural-Multiracialism

The girl in the first video…her tongue is too big for her mouth.

Is that all you care to offer on the subject?

Hollywood/television propaganda, racial double standards, and Mexican European relations in the United States.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5DqTJz9zFk[/youtube]

I mean there’s nothing really new to say about this sort of thing. People want advantages, so they try and get them. Competition is the state of nature. I guess it’s important to point out that some black/brown people have it better than some white people and vice versa. So it could be understood that it’s probably not the skin color that makes the difference. If it does to some extent, we know that it can’t be the only determining factor in someone getting their way, because some white people don’t get what they want as well as some black people. It’s just the idea of talking about people as though they are groups. Like, “white people do this”, “black people do that”. It’s just fallacious from the jump. Groups of random people who don’t even know each other don’t make decisions, and individual members of these kinds of groups can’t be accurately or fairly judged based on someone’s perception of what a group does.

Like…is it right for someone to say, “Zero-Sum posted a video with a white lady who triggered me because I am black, therefore he is a racist and should go to prison for this hate crime”? Is it right for you to say, “There’s a black guy walking down the street next to me, I think he fits this or that category or stereotype before I even encounter him”. Right answer is probably no in both cases. To me, and maybe I just don’t see the entertainment in it because I’m older, the vast majority of this kind of discourse is just made up shit that’s out there so that ineffectual people can better cope with the reality that they’re probably not going to be as good at life as they want to be.

Nothing like having someone to blame so that you don’t have to blame yourself.

You ever notice that it’s not the wealthy people who are doing great that get all into the debates about these kinds of things? It’s because they don’t need to blame anyone.

Ponderings on Afro-futurism and Wakanda.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGOD4HAatUg[/youtube]

actually an “objective” look at multiculturalism and multiracialism
shows that instead of being a failure, it has had GREAT success
in improving society…we are safer then ever before,
we live longer, we are better educated, society is by any standard
better off because of multiculuralism and multiracialism…

and any increase in such multiculturalism would increase
the health, welfare and safety of our society…

society is demonstratively better off since the enlightenment
and its program of tolerence and acceptence of values that are different then
the one’s we hold… want proof… check the timeline of when
enlightenment began and the dramatic changes in society that has
resulted in our current society…

the enlightenment began in roughly 1675 and ended around the French
Revolution… the rise of the industrial revolution in which the results of
modern society began roughly the start of the French Revolution…
coincidence, I don’t think so…historically, society made its transformation
into modern society with the enlightenment and modern society has
progress with human beings being better off in just about every way possible…

any argument made against multiculturalism and multiracialism means
you have to ignore actual history… which I’m sure you have no problem with,
but the rest of us, you know we like facts and we like to be honest about
our use of history and what it means…

Kropotkin

Reverse cultural and racial appropriation.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UwJF0ioUeM[/youtube]

Versus…

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFTPCn3BEMw[/youtube]

as I refuse to watch video’s that are meant to make the argument for
the poster… posting video’s are a very, very lazy way of making arguments…

you just want the right to keep your myths and habits and prejudices
against anyone who isn’t you… so you can be prejudice against
anyone who doesn’t look like you or think like you…

you just don’t have the courage of your convictions to actually
speak the truth that you want to have prejudices and you want to be
able to act upon those myths and prejudices that you are so proud of…

you want to able to discriminate or be prejudicially against those
who don’t look like you or think like you…you just don’t have
the guts to say so…

Kropotkin

Yes, by all means ignore other people’s views that might contradict yours as that sort of strategy has always worked for learning or understanding. :laughing:

[quote=“Zero_Sum”]

[quote=“Peter Kropotkin”]
as I refuse to watch video’s that are meant to make the argument for
the poster… posting video’s are a very, very lazy way of making arguments…

you just want the right to keep your myths and habits and prejudices
against anyone who isn’t you… so you can be prejudice against
anyone who doesn’t look like you or think like you…

you just don’t have the courage of your convictions to actually
speak the truth that you want to have prejudices and you want to be
able to act upon those myths and prejudices that you are so proud of…

you want to able to discriminate or be prejudicially against those
who don’t look like you or think like you…you just don’t have
the guts to say so…

Z: Yes, by all means ignore other people’s views that might contradict yours as that sort of strategy has always worked for learning or understanding.

K: and missing my point… if I post a video supporting my position, that is being lazy…
I don’t look at video’s regardless if they are against OR support my position…
because posting video’s is a very, very lazy way to post… it doesn’t matter if it contradicts me
or not, it is about the posting of the video… not the position taken…

Kropotkin

One of the most highlighted aspects of the failure of democracy in the United States is having immigration laws already in place but at the same time there being no political will to enforce them especially in United States sanctuary cities. Just get a look at this Californian mayor that warned illegal immigrants prior to an ICE (Immigration Customs Enforcement) raid to leave the area.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libby_Schaaf

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB6wGOkkkms[/youtube]

K: and once again with the lazy video… which I ignored…
and I agree with the mayor… the damage that these raids do
to families and cities far, far outweigh any damage a one or even
a few immigrants might do… the crime rate for immigrants doesn’t
seem to have any impact or very little impact on the overall crime rate…

if you can somehow make a connection between the rate of crime and
immigrants, please make your case… and use facts which can be researched please…
instead of just making shit up…

Kropotkin

:laughing:

K: well, this is as close to a real argument as I can expect from you…
take away your video’s and you wouldn’t even have a reason to post here…

so, you still haven’t made any sort of argument against multicultural or
multiracialism and you haven’t made any sort of argument against immigrants
and crime… but no real surprise here…shallow thinkers like yourself have
nothing to say anyway…but hay, enjoy watching video’s…or perhaps
return to cartoons…they seem to be more your speed anyway…

Kropotkin

A lot of strange things here, but let’s focus on South Africa: 1) the whites in South AFrica were not a new minority, they’d always been a minority. 2) balkanized multiculturally is pretty much an oxymoron. But in any case apartheid was a balkanization, os if this is a bad idea, it was a bad idea by the Europeans. 3) Check out the Boer Wars to see that two groups with European backgrounds managed to balkanize and treat each other disastrously in South Africa. 4) South Africa has been a disaster for a long long time. The precise form of this may have changed - though I am skeptical the brutality against groups with less power is now worse than it was pre-Mandela release - but has always been a disaster.

Take a look at the history of the various AFrican nations when the European colonial powers were not democracies, but extensions of private corporations or under direct control of European Royalty. Vicious, horrible governments for the majorities in most cases. Obviously complex phenomena like that include benefits to the majorities also, but your post makes it seems like democracy leads to problems, when horrible problems were there before, and that balkanization has to do with multiculturalism, which it does not, and the problems that majorities and minorities face did not suddenly get worse when there were transitions to full democracy. I have no doubt that whites now suffer some of the same kinds of abuses that blacks experienced under apartheid, those not rich enough to avoid the problems. They don’t face all the abuses the blacks did however or to the same degree.

I could post stats of black on white crime and illegal immigrants making up the bulk of violent crime or various other crimes in border states but I don’t see the need to because you’ll just ignore all of it anyways.

So one form of historical injustice justifies a new kind of injustice? I am having a hard time following you here. Democracy increases pre-existing problems especially if you live in a nation as a minority.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT34ymDKMhQ[/youtube]

I never argued the first point, nor do I believe that. But I may have written poorly. My point was that it seemed like you were arguing that democracy and multiculturalism led to unfairness and abuse. To me these predate democracy and multiculturalism, even, perhaps especially in the countries you mentioned. Minorities have been horribly treated inside oligarchies, monarchies and autocracies - the last being your choice of government. I was also pointing out that South AFrican whites did not become a minority, they were one before. That Europeans before multiculturalism treated managed to treat minorities (and majorities for that matter) terrible, see the Boer wars for how that worked out in South AFrica. Balkanization is probably less the case in democracies and under multicultural values, though that is complicated, but to blame balkanization on multiculturalism and democracy doesn’t fit history very well. Perhaps there is some future non-democratic, non-multicultural government that will not balkanize society, but 1) now we are speculating wildly and 2) that doesn’t really provide any evidence that all the balkanization we have created up to now is caused by those governments/values, since balkanization was present and in fact easier to create under non-democratic regimes. In the old days, the government would often order the deaths of minorities or forced conversion or organized ghettoization. This has been based on religion and race and also on national backgrounds of minorities and autocracies have been quite capable of fucking with or wiping out minorities despite not being democracies. A look at South America and you can see that all forms of government managed to fuck with kill ghettoize steal from native peoples: that includes dictatorships, democracies (and least they are purported to be democracies), socialist governments, republics and oligarchies. The right to vote for somebody does not give people power, particularly, or the poor would not be so victimized by the rich in democracies (or purported ones, I only see oligarchies). South AFrica certainly managed to abuse minorities and majorities before it was a democracy and it doesn’t suprise me that it continues to afterward. If the idea is that democracy is no protection against abuse of minorities well, sure. But to blame it is off. Some purported democracies and republics include laws to prevent majority abuse of minorities. Llike even if the majority wants to vote to kill all redheads, they cannot. So there are limits, though not necessarily effective ones. People who have more power in all forms of government abuse those who have less.

Democratic politics of when other ethnicities become the majority represented in government. Watch this, very profound. :smiley:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C3aL8TLM94[/youtube]

Well, the Boer argument I’ve heard from various Dutch is that where South Africa was colonized it was originally sparsely populated if at all which is how they formed the nation of South Africa. Only after South Africa was colonized did nearby tribes of African people move into the area.

At any rate however you want to spin it democracy only works for a majority of a population at the detriment of any given minority where essentially democracy cannot work in a racially or culturally balkanized area. Democracy even concerning the illusion of its functioning or efficiency in ideal form can only function in a homogenous nation. The moment you have numerous cultures and races in a nation democracy essentially grinds down to a political gridlock of various groups pursuing their own self interests against each other or when one dominant group emerges by default in population dictates the decisions of the nation to everybody else by sheer voting numbers. Once again, another failure of democracy.