I think I attended my first gun show in the early 80s…when I was still in a diaper. I’ve surely been to 100s of them. I’ve owned, bought, sold and traded what must have been 100s of guns over the years. I reloaded my own ammo for years. I’ve fired tens of thousands of rounds…at least. That being said, I’ve also been listening to the gun control debate since before you were probably born.
Here’s how it works. Something terrible happens because of a person who has a gun. Then, the gun dealers who are all right wing anti-democracy people…they raise hell and tell a bunch of lies about how all the guns are going to dry up. Then, they raise their prices and gouge you idiots for more money, thus enriching themselves in the process off your irrational fear. Here’s a few facts for you. There is nothing that you could buy since I was a little kid that you haven’t been able to buy this entire time, and that you weren’t able to buy at any time between now and then. Nothing. If anything the selection of guns and types of ammo have increased over the years and the availability of them has significantly increased. Even NFA guns can be had by anyone willing to purchase a tax stamp. You can form a trust and be the sole administrator of it and the trust can own NFA weapons without you even having to take the background check.
Idiot. You know jack shit about the facts. When I was a teenager, you could get a crate of 20 sks’s for 2000 bucks. Still in the plastic bags soaked in cosmoline. When Clinton took office, the right winger NRA nutjobs raised hell about the NFA, and the price of the sks went to nearly 300 bucks. A lot of people made a lot of money off that alone, and it wasn’t the idiots who were rushing out to pay 300 bucks for cheap Chinese piece of shit rifles because they believed that they wouldn’t be able to get a semi-auto rifle once Clinton banned all the guns.
Guess what? You can still buy them. You can buy a cetme or an HK, you can get an fnfal, you can get a fucking M1 from the US government if you fill out the forms and submit them…at a discount and you’ve always been able to do that. There are so many companies making M4 style rifles now that you can choose from 20 different manufacturers, or you can build your own if you buy a lower receiver for 150 bucks. You can go to a fucking hardware store and buy 2 pieces of pipe, a coupling, a bag of rubber bands and a nail and make a gun in 5 minutes without asking anyone.
Seriously. Have you ever considered any of these facts? Or do you just think in terms of your emotions and then spew out rants that are based entirely in fiction?
Get an fucking FFL if you want and you don’t even have to pay transfer fees. Hell you can collect fees for transferring guns between others. Make some money. atf.gov/resource-center/how … easy-steps
Now you can have some facts and calm down, stop repeating fallacious political rhetoric and realize that no one is, or ever has infringed on your rights.
I think urgod is one of those easily triggered people. A prime example of someone who shouldn’t have a gun. Look at how crazy he went over the idea that a right wing politician might have openly admitted to selling his vote to a special interest group. Insane. He thinks that not giving a discount on a flight hinders one’s ability and right to bear arms.
A hot headed, easily triggered guy who’s cool with corruption and doesn’t reason from emotion rather than form his emotions as a result of reasoning.
It’s a fact that the dude doesn’t know about the facts, so there shouldn’t be a problem with stating that unless you mean that we ought not state facts.
There’s a long running debate in philosophy as to whether reason ought be the slave of passion or vice versa. I assumed that everyone knew all about that since it’s 101 level stuff. If you think it’s not relevant to point out when someone is doing it wrong, then you’ve should explain why. Stuff isn’t wrong just because you don’t like it. And if you want to have passion first and then reason from it, then go and be an artist.
Always believe clickbait titles and “revealed” truth in general.
Because of course there is only a single simple reason for issues such as mass shootings and those performing the shootings are typically leftist with their gun fetishes and fantasies of fame or infamy?!
FC, I used to regard you as a thinker - what happened? Since I returned you’ve turned into this alt-right sensationalist mouthpiece - I am presuming this is an extension of some profound ethical insight that you should turn out this way?
He’s upset about the erosion of European culture that’s resulting from mass migrations of Arabs out of places that the US is bombing. He thinks that Trump has got the right idea, but he’s not connecting the dots about the differences between American and European cultures on the ground.
Like if your city had been overrun by people from someplace else and your government, or the people there were too weak to stop it, and you were super proud of your homeland and your culture the way some Europeans are, then you’d be pretty pissed off. But the US isn’t being overrun, and the government here is strong enough to stop it from getting out of hand, and the people of the US don’t care too much about the esoteric aspects of culture in the way that Europeans do. So from his perspective Trump is good, even though Trump is actually very bad for the US.
You can’t post arguments on the basis of pointing to obvious differences between figurative and literal interpretations.
All that’s achieved in that case is a regression to duality, of whose basis is usually grounded in emotionalism.
And emotionalism takes away from effective communication.
Like I said earlier in this thread, a point to which he’s yet to respond…I think he’s too emotional to have an actual debate. He’s reasoning from his feelings instead of deriving his feelings from reason. I think I’ve said that a handful of times to him and he just keeps ignoring it. He’s asking me for an argument when I must have typed 1000 words and I gave a relatively thorough analysis of the issue of gun control. He ignored that and posted a picture of a washing machine and said something about CNN.
He’s just young, not completely mature, not completely educated and not completely emotionally stable. He’s apparently deeply insecure and still in that stage where “winning”, as in “beating someone in an argument” is more important than having a full understanding of a given issue. You can always spot these guys because they cling like crazy to one overarching ideal and everything that they express can be linked back to just that ideal. They’re not reasoning, analyzing, understanding, synthesizing information and coming to valid conclusions about reality. Instead, they’re trying to use rhetorical force, via a sequence of obvious fallacies to insist that the world is the way that they want it to be.
Wouldn’t it be better to understand how things actually are?
That’s what you call “reasoning, analyzing, understanding, synthesizing information and coming to valid conclusions about reality”? And totally not emotional whatsoever I bet.
