Where American Capitalism Fails And Rise Of A Social State.

Being that nationalism is a form of localization we are in agreement.

The problem with our people and by that I mean European people is our insatiable appetite of greed where with that through our historical transformation globalism or domination of global capital is the manifestation of it. This insatiable greed is killing and destroying us in more ways than one where only us European socialists are aware of this historical tragedy or calamity. The rational or good conscience Europeans for themselves and the world around them will always be socialist.

The kind of society I envision would be a national commonwealth in that everything would be nationalized both small businesses and large ones. The state will have power over all forms of business, industry, banking, and markets. Certainly individuals would be able to own businesses privately receiving the benefits of ownership but they would be heavily regulated to serve the state, nation, and its citizens publicly where any withdrawal of that would activate effective immediately their abandonment of private ownership to which the state would intervene. Workers would be able to form trade unions and have reasonable bargaining power for any businesses they work under.

All businesses it would be mandated to give its workers reasonable healthcare plans, retirement plans, paid sick leave, paid maternity leave, and increased wages overtime with seniority.

There will be a mandatory national tax paid by everybody so that everybody has free access to college and trade schools. All colleges and trade schools would be open up to the general public where nobody would be excluded.

There would be no private schools or charters as everybody would have equal access to education.

Businesses that pursue on the job apprentice programs for its workers will receive heavy tax breaks or reductions by the state. There would be a national government bureau of worker protections making sure that the standard of living, higher wages, and access to benefits working under any businesses is accessed to all workers/ citizens.

Whites greatest strengths, our industriousness and inventiveness, can also be our greatest weaknesses, if left unchecked.
We’ve had several centuries of virtually unbridled economic, scientific and technological growth, and now it’s time to reign it in and power down some of the way.
Conserve our precious resources, and allocate others more justly, wisely, according to the needs of the forgotten and neglected white working class, instead of the greed of a few.
We need to think less about how to get more of what we want, and more about what we need, which’s where philosophy and social politics comes in.

Yes, we are in agreement with that. How would you however keep all of that in check? I’m curious.

With capitalism the economic model is infinite growth as opposed to a limited economy of protectionism espoused by socialism. We see this ideology of infinite growth within immigration in that if there is any demographic problems within populations domestically it is then sought out amongst foreign populations through migration. We then see the damages of capitalism on western civilization that has been under siege by foreign immigration since the 1960’s under this infinite growth paradigm. Understanding this, how can it be denied that capitalism is the enemy and destroyer of the European collective identity and cultural soul?

Any system that would replace a national population, culture, and ethnicity with others is an evil one that must be destroyed. Any system that would sacrifice its people on an alter of materialism is not worth following or obeying. A nation is not its money supply, market, or project of its own economic growth, a nation at the end of the day comprises most thoroughly of its people. In order to serve the people a more social economy must be sought out.

Only socialism with its ideals of protectionism and sustainability can in effect protect nationalism, culture, or ethnicity collectively as nothing else will suffice.

Civic nationalism asserts that a nation is solely its ideas, ideologies, values, and principles only where the genetic makeup of its people is irrelevant or redundant. Ethnic nationalism believes that while a nation does represent its ideas, ideologies, values, and principles those things are inherent with the genetic racial or ethnic makeup of its people where if you replace that population segment with ethnic foreigners the very values of that nation will become altered as well.

With that knowledge or insight ethnic nationalism makes more sense and therefore is the more realistic option. Civic nationalism of course is a completely compromised position of nationalism since given enough time where the genetic ethnic makeup of a population becomes diluted enough such a population might indeed become susceptible to globalism having no singular ethnic identity to preserve. I think it is safe to say that the ideal of civic nationalism is indeed a Trojan horse as it is a stepping stone to a more globalist system of organization. Civic nationalism can easily transform into globalism overnight which eventually given enough time transforms the world under global governance. Of course given all of this it becomes no surprise that most forms of civic nationalism revolves around neo conservatism, infinite growth capitalism (migration replacement), and zero borders/no immigration limitations of the political libertarian movement, so no surprise there. Once again on the protectionist nature of socialism is the only system of governance that can protect the well being of distinct national ethnicities.

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On Homosexuality And Transgenderism.

Other animal species practice other behaviors that we find horrendous or abhorrent where we don’t practice those behaviors in the norm of human society. Understanding that, why is homosexuality tolerated or promoted? Why is it the exception? Heterosexual relationships is the underpinning of reproduction which is why it is promoted because society can’t function at all without reproduction. This is just basic common knowledge here.

In my ideal society homosexuality would not be spotlighted, promoted, or be deemed socially acceptable. It wouldn’t be illegal but it wouldn’t be socially accepted publicly either.

Homosexuals shouldn’t be allowed to adopt children either as I view that as child neglect or abuse.

I would also reclassify transgenderism as a mental illness that it is publicly making treatment or therapy available for those suffering from it. Changing or altering one’s gender through surgery would be outlawed.

Dealing With Radical Feminists, Demographic Crisis, And Creating A New Kind Of Nation State Feminism

I am pro-life and anti abortion but with some level of exceptions for when women’s health are at risk, abhorrent physical mutations, or rape. Also, no woman is allowed a job, occupation, own property, have a banking account, or the ability to attend college without having a minimal of two children first. If they refuse all of that they better have a male caretaker willing to take care of them for the rest of their lives. Exceptions would be made for women that are infertile, elderly, mentally ill, or physically disabled only. This will help with the west’s demographic population disaster. I am a big promoter of the nuclear family concept and early marriage.

On The Jewish Question: Dealing With Jews, Zionists, And Collaborators.

Remove all the Jews from western civilization and quarantine them into Israel their beloved holy land. Then give the Palestinians, Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, and Iranians free range at them.

We would also cut all funding, military aid, and diplomacy off with the nation of Israel effective immediately.

To do this we’ll have a fleet of cargo naval ships and ship them all to Israel unharmed or in good health of course. We won’t give them another opportunity to declare victimization. Various submarines and defensive naval units will defend these naval cargo ships to make sure they’re unharmed in travel to the nation of Israel.

Once the the Jews are dropped off into Israel unharmed they’re no longer our responsibility and would be left to fend for themselves.

All Christian zionists or zionist collaborators even if they themselves are not Jewish will also be shipped along with them to the nation of Israel. They deserve whatever fate encompasses them as traitors and enemies of the state. If you turn your back against us with the enemy you’re no longer one of us and will be treated as such.

No declaration of war against Israel will be made for without aid or assistance of the west they’re already surrounded by plenty of enemies all throughout the middle east that will keep them busy for some time. The important thing is they will finally no longer be our collective problem where zionist occupied portions of our governments will be gone once for all time leaving us to pursue our own interests independently. Undoubtedly a new golden age will begin right away after that happens. :wink:

Dealing With Multicultural Neo Liberal White Europeans.

In the new nation state we will not stand for multicultural neo liberal Europeans amongst us.

You will be given two options,

  1. The first option is that you denounce multiculturalism and neo liberalism joining the fold of the new nation state where you will be welcomed or accepted to live.

  2. The second option is that if you refuse to you will not be tolerated to live amongst us in the new nation state where you’ll be kicked out forcibly removed to live or exist elsewhere.

If you want we can take all of you for a one way trip to the continent of Africa where you can enjoy your neo liberal multiculturalism paradise there. Go create your multicultural neo liberal utopia in the jungles or desert of Africa, see how well your ideals will serve you there. :wink:

@Zero Sum

I am a minimalist and I believe overpopulation is a reality.
Nationalism to me means not only the people, the race, the culture, but the land it arises out of.
We have a duty to ourselves, the people, but we also have a duty to the earth, the soil.
From my research, it’s a reality nations can overpopulate and overconsume, to the detriment of their food and water supply, to the detriment of their forests, and the animals they depend on, and to the soil.

History is replete with civilizations vanishing just as quickly as they appeared, for they were unsustainable.
The land is part of what makes the people what they are, their character has been shaped by it and continues to be, and nature has intrinsic beauty.
And if we desecrate it, we’ll in turn be shaped by that desecration.

While I don’t support the promotion of unhealthy, dead end lifestyles like homosexuality, trans and so on, I think it’s fine that our population either maintains itself, neither growing, nor receding, or even recedes a little gradually, before leveling out at some point in the future.
I think the birthrate is fine, what I take issue with is the immigration, non-whites replacing us.

As for women, I think it’s fine if they want to do the traditional thing, specializing in domestic affairs, or if they want to share domestic and economic responsibilities.
And as for abortion, I would neither promote nor discourage it.

Demographic Winter:Full Documentary- (link isn’t working other than the direct one)

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Watch those videos Gloominary and then let me know if you still believe in overpopulation.

Also, bonus material.

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In China when overpopulation was a thing (still is technically for their nation) in their nation they had a mandatory one child policy in order to ensure the prosperity of their society.

We in the western sphere of the world ethnically and racially have an opposite depopulation problem due to extremely low fertility so it’s not unreasonable that we take steps that makes it mandatory for women to have a minimum of two children before enjoying the benefits of society for there is no benefits of society at all if there is no reproduction.

I think this velvet glove approach is more desirable because the alternative to that is something that looks a lot like the images I posted below that is the iron fist approach of dealing with the problem. We can deal with the problem reasonably or unreasonably where it is women’s choice collectively which one they’re going to choose in how men react, eventually men will react make no mistake about that ladies. Either way the problem will eventually be addressed as it will no longer be able to be ignored. What will it be western women? Velvet glove or fist of iron model? I would go with the first option as the later is much more brutal, miserable, unpleasant, and overall horrific.

Here’s the problem with this video:

Firstly, the white race isn’t so much a race, as it is a sub-race of the Caucasian race, which also includes North Africans, West Asians/Middle Easterners, South Asians and to some extent Hispanics, who’re in some cases white or mostly white, and Central Asians, who’re again, in some cases white or mostly white.
The Caucasian race is by far the largest race of humans, followed by Mongoloids, Negroids, Amerindians, Australoids, Austronesians and so on.
I wouldn’t expect a subrace to have as many numbers as a race with many subraces, the fact that we did for a while was a mere blip in history, totally unsustainable.

Secondly, I don’t think the white race has declined in numbers so much as it’s declined in the percentage of the world population.
It’s not so much that we’re declining, but that the world is catching up with us, because they’ve adopted our way of life to some extent, our science and technology, their death rate has been reduced.
What tends to happen in modernity is: civilizations before modernity tend to have a higher birth, and death rate, mostly due to infant mortality, not so much due to death in other stages of life.
After they adopt modernity they tend to keep their higher birth rate but now with a lower infant mortality rate, and so their population booms.
But, after a while (and this hasn’t just been true of the white sub-race but of other sub-races like East Asians (Chinese, Koreans, Japanese…), their birthrate tends to drop to match their death rate, so their population is at or a little below replacement levels.

Thirdly, the video supposes the white birthrate will continue into the distant future, but they don’t know that, birth rates fluctuate, trends in society are going to change, and at some point in the future it could naturally swing the other way, so it may not need to be corrected by the state in a top-down, coercive fashion.

Fourthly, a temporarily low birthrate is not such a bad thing.
While North America still has a lot of wilderness, particularly Canada (altho much of it is too frigidly inhospitable to settle), Europe has next no wilderness, is almost all farmland and urban, there just isn’t room to put new people in Europe anymore, without getting rid of farmland and the few remaining forests, becoming more dependent on other nations for food and lumber in the process.
There are problems with having a high population, there is crowding, there is pollution, I mean thanks to overpopulation and technology, the ocean waters are now proliferated with soft metals like mercury, fish are absorbing these metals and becoming unhealthy, not only for their own sake but increasingly they’re becoming unsafe to eat, and this is just one example among thousands.
Thousands of species have died thanks to us, and thousands of more are dying and will die if we don’t get our act together.
There is such a thing as climate change, peak gas, oil and uranium, soil erotion, a decline in the water supply and on and on, and I could post lots of videos on that and I may in the future.

See I prefer to be an out of the box thinker.
Just because I believe in ending immigration and protecting our race, doesn’t mean I believe in adopting the stereotypical paradigm of: women confined to the kitchen, pumping out lots of babies and so on, but nor am I exactly a feminist either, in that I recognize women are different from men, that we shouldn’t lower the bar just to accomodate women, which’s what we’re doing today.
I believe women should be able to be and do whatever they want, so long as the bar isn’t being lowered, the way it has been in the military and certain other professions.

In summary: I recognize there are other things worth protecting, and that if we don’t protect them, that ultimately damages our race.

Did you watch the demographic winter videos, yes or no Gloominary?

Just because I’m a national socialist, doesn’t mean I think the Third Reich was a great idea (dictatorship, check, as much or more corporatism than socialism, check, Jews and other races exiled, check, women confined to the kitchen pumping out four and five kids, check).
I would only consider taking extreme masures like that if North America collapses and balkanizes, and while you’re certain it will happen in the 20s, I’m not, instead what might happen is a more gradual decline, due to the white working classes declining, and due to nature and the resources we’re dependent on declining.
I would rather see red (for socialism), white (for the white race) and green (for the environment) parties democratically come to power in the world we live in now.
I’m thinking as much or more about the world we live in today, than I’m depending on a sudden, largely unpredictable collapse.
I would like to see a racial policy like the one the US and Canada had before 1965, where there were a few others: Asians, Hispanics and so on, but the immigration policy was designed to keep the US and Canada majority white.
Rather than exiling races, I’d like to have a lot more immigrants from Eastern Europe: Poland, Russia, Ukraine and so on, and little-no immigration from other parts of the world.
Perhaps recent arrivals, who can’t even speak English, or who’re a criminal and economic liability, can be shipped back, and of course illegals have to be shipped back, but I wouldn’t purge Canada of every last Asian, black, Hispanic and Jew, so long as there is a Canada.

I watched part of it, perhaps I’ll watch the rest later today.

Watch the rest of it and then I’ll answer your points. I do not seriously believe you’ll have the same opinions on overpopulation after watching those videos. If you do we can debate those points later which I’ll happily oblige.

If you want to understand race better, this is a good graph to begin with:

From the work of renowned Italian geneticist Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza:

As you can see, the European branch is part of a larger branch called Caucasian, and Negroids or blacks are a large branch with many smaller branches such as Bushmen, Pygmies and Ethiopians.
Negroids are not a single entity, they comprise many, and each one is as divergent as Europeans are from Arabs and South Asians or more.

Yes, I am already familiar with all that. Thanks for posting the image all the same.

Look forward to your response on the videos but I have a feeling we’ll have a good debate also.