Where American Capitalism Fails And Rise Of A Social State.

Well we have similar ideas in many areas, but very different ideas in a couple of areas.
I believe in dividing powers, that way if one gets corrupted, the others can reign it in.

I’m not fanatical about race either, rather than count percentage points, I would just say, if you look, think and act basically white, you’re white, good enough for me.
Many whites have a few percentage points of this or that Non-White, some of these percentage points going back centuries-millennia, we’d end up excluding half the white race if were to commit to the 100% rule.

Give you an idea of what I am talking about we’ll use Jessica Biel as an example. She is half Dutch and half native American. I would have no problem incorporating people like her in my ideal state so long as they declared loyalty to European identity. [Too bad she is a dumb neo liberal in real life.]

For me she is a great example amongst others of my 75% genetic lineage rule of thumb.

Alicia Silverstone is half White half Jewish, but she could easily pass for White if it weren’t for her liberal thinking:

Well, that and the name Silverstone.

So long as they publicly renounced zionism, Jewishnes,and Judaism I wouldn’t have a problem with previous example. The problem of course comes with those that unlike us have a zero tolerance approach. I still don’t know how to remedy that as it is very problematic with those of us in our world view. It’s a very contentious subject that is still argued back and fourth of who is accepted versus who isn’t. Who can be classified as a white European and who can’t be.

Most people can only think in terms of short term thinking instead of the long term.

No, I’m far too lazy and lackadaisical to be the leading dictator myself. I would settle for being a military general, national spokesman/ philosopher, or manager of the national media myself. :laughing: At this point in my life at least I don’t see myself taking on such a giant undertaking, I don’t have that ambition.

I don’t know, for me I think the philosopher king or dictator will be an individual that is a great victorious soldier and statesman that has yet to come. Such an individual will make themselves worthy of that title to lead and more importantly when they enter the world stage nobody will be able to deny their power. Let us call it destiny…

Agreed, Alicia Silverstone looks white, and if she were to take a DNA test, I bet she’d get mostly white, perhaps 20%-30% Ashkenazi Jewish.
If she also thought white, and acted white, I could accept her.
As for hardliners, purists, I don’t think there’s anything that can done about them, white nationalists are going to be divided on some things, you already brought up how many are Christians, where as some are atheists or pagans like us.
Some are capitalists, where as others are socialists like us.
Few of us are going to agree on every single issue, but what matters is you have enough in common with someone ideologically that you can be friends and work together on things.
Not every white nationalist is going to be a friend, such is life, they’ll have to go their separate ways.

Same here, I’m too lazy, I’d settle for philosopher, senator or spokesman.

Yes, it really upsets me that a lot of European nationalist groups excludes anybody that isn’t Christian and view all atheists in contempt as a part of some kind of marxist conspiracy. Just goes to show there are idiots in all movements.

Yes, that is a problem with today’s European nationalist groups, nobody can agree politically, ethnically, or economically what kind of society that we all want. I imagine there’s going to be a lot of infighting amongst ourselves not just with others when the time of reckoning or social upheaval comes. You have purists and exceptionalists like ourselves, you have Christians versus everybody else [They even fight each other on denominations],pagans, secular atheists, anarchists, democrats, republicans, corporate fascists, technocrats, libertarians, monarchs, and national socialists.

How we rise above all that in unity I haven’t the slightest clue. We might just have to settle for a fractured unity or maybe some global catastrophic event forces us to work together despite our differences.

A constitutional autocracy resonating with national socialism is what I have in mind, I can’t support anything else. I won’t support anything else.

Unlike all other historical constitutions that are vague or nonspecific leading into various misused interpretations it would have to be very specific where it couldn’t be open to interpretation and debate. It would consist in great length concerning articles, laws, and provisions.

Right, and that disagreement, whether most of it is natural or socially engineered, plays into the hands of the elite, the ol’ divide and rule, controlled-opps routine.
Just as there was an anarchists without adjectives movement, there could be a white nationalists without adjectives movement.
That is to say, if you’re a white nationalist fascist, a white nationalist communist state is still preferable to a multiracial fascist state, and likewise if you’re a white nationalist communist, a white nationalist fascist state is still preferable to a multiracial communist state, or in other words, it doesn’t matter so much what characteristics this white nationalist state takes on, it may take on several ideologies at once, so long as it is white nationalist, it’s still worth supporting.

However, race for me is not even the most important issue, they’re all important, race, sex, ethics, values, politics, economics, the environment.
I’m working on building a holistic paradigm rather than focusing all my attention on one or two issues.

The last several centuries have witnessed the globalization of the world, even fascism and Nazism were a kind of globalization, in that they were seeking to make there be only one culture and one race, just as capitalists and communists are trying to do, it’s just they went about it differently, the former by exterminating or at least subjugating all the other cultures and races of the world, the latter by merging all of them into one, multiculturalism being a mere stepping stone towards global monoculturalism, or rather supplanting culture with consumerism or communism.

I agree with what you were saying regarding the Balkanization of North America and the world.
Slowly but surely, or perhaps suddenly, I think we’re seeing a shift away from the new world order towards nationalism and regionalism, and this shift has to occur, one way or another, because our present civilization is totally unsustainable economically, environmentally and socially.
So there will be more room for different ideologies, races and religions to diverge, go their separate ways, which’s probably how it should be, we’re never going to see eye to eye with most people on everything, even the fundamentals.
Perhaps several ideologically differing white nationalist states will arise in North America, perhaps even dozens, and that is fine, in fact it’s cause for celebration, as I support ideological diversity and true racial diversity: separatism.

Yes, it’s quite possible of whole entire nations splitting into twenty different territories each with their own political, economic, cultural, and social programs. Perhaps that is nature’s way of harmony concerning our species by allowing us our own autonomous regions to govern ourselves as we see fit collectively. I think the biggest contention of disagreement is socialism versus capitalism. I cannot see me even wanting to live in a white nationalist capitalist state, I despise capitalism that much with a passion as I have lived most of my life as a working class slave under it. I say let them live in their capitalist dystopia until they come crawling and begging to enter our socialist societies after they’ve completely ruined their own, perhaps that is what it will take to finally change their minds.

Yes, a dictator can be corrupted also but the difference is that a dictator is one head that can be taken out quickly if they abuse their power. What you propose is multiple heads that can be hundreds if not thousands of people which is not easily remedied as one person is.

Like the story of the Lernaean Hydra if you strike one head off multiple others will just pop up in replacement. It is better to worry about just one individual instead of thousands, think of it in terms of simplification or containment. Once again a majority of the populace is too ignorant to lead themselves or have any discernment in the affairs of society and state.

Just got done watching an interview where a teacher is forced to move in with her parents because she only makes $51,000.00 a year where her along with teachers all across the nation are demanding higher wages. :laughing: Boohoo, cry me a fucking river…

Dumb bitch, how do you think workers making $20,000.00 or less a year feel without healthcare and benefits? How do you think we survive? Oh that’s right, the United States working class isn’t important enough to get news time on mainstream media broadcasts. Fuck all of you wretches! :-"

May the social upheaval continue until the day the whole dam breaks, may it happen quickly.

Violent uprising and revolution when?

Zero Sum

Right, globalization is moving towards artifice, localization is moving towards nature, which’s the direction we need to be headed.

Unfortunately, these days it seems, most white nationalists are capitalists and supporters of Trump, who want to take away our already meagre social services, and the few that aren’t, many of them believe in a mixed economy with capitalist, corporatist and socialist elements, where as I would have no corporatism or capitalism.
I would split the economy in two, essential goods and services like food and housing would be socialized, and inessential goods and services would mostly be kept private, but, I would either have no intellectual property and property without occupancy/use, or limited intellectual property and property without occupancy/use, which would limit how wealthy individuals could become.

Robert Michels author of, “The Iron Law Of Oligarchy”

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_oligarchy

Being that nationalism is a form of localization we are in agreement.

The problem with our people and by that I mean European people is our insatiable appetite of greed where with that through our historical transformation globalism or domination of global capital is the manifestation of it. This insatiable greed is killing and destroying us in more ways than one where only us European socialists are aware of this historical tragedy or calamity. The rational or good conscience Europeans for themselves and the world around them will always be socialist.

The kind of society I envision would be a national commonwealth in that everything would be nationalized both small businesses and large ones. The state will have power over all forms of business, industry, banking, and markets. Certainly individuals would be able to own businesses privately receiving the benefits of ownership but they would be heavily regulated to serve the state, nation, and its citizens publicly where any withdrawal of that would activate effective immediately their abandonment of private ownership to which the state would intervene. Workers would be able to form trade unions and have reasonable bargaining power for any businesses they work under.

All businesses it would be mandated to give its workers reasonable healthcare plans, retirement plans, paid sick leave, paid maternity leave, and increased wages overtime with seniority.

There will be a mandatory national tax paid by everybody so that everybody has free access to college and trade schools. All colleges and trade schools would be open up to the general public where nobody would be excluded.

There would be no private schools or charters as everybody would have equal access to education.

Businesses that pursue on the job apprentice programs for its workers will receive heavy tax breaks or reductions by the state. There would be a national government bureau of worker protections making sure that the standard of living, higher wages, and access to benefits working under any businesses is accessed to all workers/ citizens.

Whites greatest strengths, our industriousness and inventiveness, can also be our greatest weaknesses, if left unchecked.
We’ve had several centuries of virtually unbridled economic, scientific and technological growth, and now it’s time to reign it in and power down some of the way.
Conserve our precious resources, and allocate others more justly, wisely, according to the needs of the forgotten and neglected white working class, instead of the greed of a few.
We need to think less about how to get more of what we want, and more about what we need, which’s where philosophy and social politics comes in.

Yes, we are in agreement with that. How would you however keep all of that in check? I’m curious.