Lots of folks like that. With some people it takes a lot of neural energy for me to decipher what they are trying to convey. I canât figure out if itâs me or them. With some, English isnât their first language or there are geographical differences in dialect that makes communication difficult.
I do that because I stand alone without backup. One-man protests donât work too well. Plus, prism could be my mother and I get plenty of bullheadedness from family
Well if you know the rules arenât going to be enforced, and youâre here, then the rules donât matter to you. Thatâs where it leaves you in this game.
I think, but I am not sure, that the topic interests me. I just donât know what theyâre saying. But they seem too. Like some kind of twins language. But since they seem to be getting something out of it, OK. I canât complain about that since it is contained. I just avoid the thread, or check in actually, to see if I can get a grip on it.
And there is the English as second language issue with him. But even with that slack. Or, her, I guess. I hope Prism isnât your Mom.
You said you signed up knowing specific rules were in place. I wanted to know what those rules are. For instance, you may have liked the rule of not insulting someone. Ok, but thatâs a rule that would exist anyway because no one likes to be insulted. The only difference is how you want offenders punished. So itâs better to say that you signed up knowing punishment would be demerits rather than shaming-by-peers because the rules would be the same regardless if daddy were here or not.
Well we can propose one.
Hence the purpose of judges. No one person can change the rules and no one person can consider them unbinding.
No, it already exists, but is subdued by the existence of the authority because itâs their job, not mine, currently.
Well, yeah, but the alternative is: a mod will issue warnings or bans based on their âpersonal standardsâ. Then a person who disagrees has the choice of ignoring it, getting into an argument with the mods about the âstandardâ or leaving the forum.
What I had in mind wouldnât be organized, but would rely on a handful of good seeds planted, as in members who could teach others by example. Carleas is a good example because heâs so fair-minded in speech. He notes when members make good points, he admits errors, and just generally has a good tone that I think should be copied.
I think when people make good points, people should quote it and say âgood point!â Why only negative feedback? Why only punishment? Lead with both hands: one has a stick and the other a carrot. I think if more people started doing that, it would catch on.
I think I see what youâre saying⌠you may be led to feel shame in error. Yes, I suppose thatâs true, but on the other hand, there should be other members who could come to your defense as well.
Yup. Well, luckily there are always more than just nazis. Just donât go bragging about rescuing jewish babies on stormfront
How else am I to have a moral compass?
Iâm asking myself if Iâve had better luck appealing to one person to change his mind or a group of people. Groups seem more open-minded. What do you think?
Carleas is rarely here. He only participates in some forums.
I think the forum is so small that you have very few potential âgood seedsâ.
You can say it in your posts and hope it catches on but is it reasonable to punish people for not saying it. Are you really going to shame people if they donât say âgood pointâ?
I think that you misunderstood what I wrote.
When part of a group, individuals tend to lose their sense of personal responsibility.
No thatâs not the only difference. You have already stated that you would not punish direct insults (âretardâ) and you that you would punish indirect insults (âfall off ladderâ). That 's the opposite of what I want.
But in another post, you said that it would not be organized.
Iâm confused because you seem to be contradicting yourself.
I have had several disputes with the admin about how the rules were applied. When someone was banned and I thought he did not get adequate warning. When threads were moved into rant. When Ecmanduâs threads were being deleted and moved. I think there were some others that have slipped my mind.
Those disputes were in the context of the ârules of the gameâ.
Jayson would read the posts and hold people accountable. Thatâs how moderating ought to be done. Even when I didnât agree with his decisions I respected his integrity.
Itâs a robocop with no common sense whatsoever, dispensing justice with no regard. An authoritarian wetdream come true!
No I donât think I said that. Of course, a good daddy would shame the child who didnât say âthank youâ. But you donât need a daddy, oh wait, you do lol
Thatâs possible.
Yeah I donât know⌠one person is more likely to be unreasonable than a group, which is why we have 9 justices interpreting the constitution rather than one dogmatic old fart.
I donât think I said that, but I said indirect is worse than direct, but both are insults.
Direct insults may not be insults, goofy. â not an insult. Pejoratives arenât always insults, so the insult is always derived from the context and therefore there is no such thing as a direct insult.
If a good friend of mine said âOh youâre just being retardedâ, I wouldnât believe he thinks Iâm retarded nor would I interpret it as an insult. All it means is he canât understand why Iâm saying what Iâm saying and if anything, he is the retarded one.
What do you mean by organized? Reduction of entropy?
We can propose a system that evolves according to the evolving nature of society. No one element is fixed and corruptible. Lack of authoritarian control is the only way to ensure truth and guard against corruption. This was the underpinning of the US in that no one person can have all the power. Checks and balances abound.
Judges -plural.
And how did that end? Fell on deaf ears? Iâve never seen a protest sway one person in power. Youâre better-off trying to convince a group.
Jayson has more integrity than you? No? Then you can do the same.
When you didnât agree with his decisions, was that an error in justice? Thatâs why I donât like capital punishment⌠it presumes we know for sure.