I’m not a “rightist” and never claimed to be. So not sure if any of this was supposed to apply to me, or what?
Oh, please, I’m old. They never could educate people. Texas would veto every fucking history and social studies book because the rightests there could not face some known facts about history, let alone religious rightism. In my day rightist ideas about discipline and teacher authority and the three rs and no sex and all that stuff created a creativity deadening learn by rote teach people NOT to question authority cog in a machine production line. Morons creating morons. Forced indoctrination has been the rule, period. And what would now be considered right wing political correctness was the rule also. Eveyrone running around calling people fags, teaching each other not to have any emotions except anger and confidence, conforminism and cut out figure ideas of what it is to human or male or female. Now the shoes on the other foot and it is just as stupid. Morons with no idea what a human is giving out rules and using shame from the right and now guilt from the left to put people in little boxes of each kind of political correctness. Fuck that shit. LIving in a dream world. Look at the fuckers from the 50s and 60s in photos and films of the time, documentaries. Stiff cardboard humans who could barely breathe.
Nostalgia based on ZERO experience.
That is how everyone is taught to think. One, figure out if this is a Right thing or a Left thing. Then I know if I am for it or not. Then when the other group was in charge of the political correctness it was, is or will be bad, when my team was it was good. Fuck that, your all human haters. You all want people to climb in little stiff boxes and just because your box is different from their box, well they are all stiff little boxes to me.
Well, if the fucking right wing would allow people to be critical of pharma, maybe we could cut through that bullshit. But no, they have every right to control congress with lobbying, control media through pressure from advertising money etc. No, the right have nothing to do with the powerful interests that are diagnosing and selling psychotropics to every fucking person. Give me a break. Of course the left is involved in that two since you are both human haters, one of you running on shaming the other on guilt, neither knows how to deal with emotions.
Well, I appreciate that you can see soemthing in the left, even if it also was in some golden age that never was. The left had insights into corporate power abuse and foreign policy evils, the right has had healthier skepticism of government power - in some ways. There are other positives and both have been royally fucked up.
I wish people would get away from these terms and actually watch, feel, think about what is happening.
But everyone seems to want a team. Human, but there are no teams, not for humans, at that level of generality. At that level you just have take you pick human hater ideologies.
You’re stuck in the matrix of black vs white, right vs left dichotomous thinking. Your entire approach to the ideas I’ve raised is basically “Oh yeah well look how bad the Right is!!” as if that has anything to do with anything I’m saying, which it doesn’t.
Yes you bring up some good critiques of the right, I’m not really a fan of the right either. But society isn’t shifted to the right anymore, it has taken a hard shift to the left. The only thing slowing that progression toward more leftism is the inertia of the more right-oriented cultural past in America, but in the next generation or two you’re going to see the impact of that inertia decline substantially.
If you need to start talking about how bad the right is as soon as I bring up points against the left, then you’re not being honest. We could also talk about how stupid the right can be, I’m fine with that. But this topic was more about leftism, and since leftism is the default “new normal” now, it makes sense to discuss leftism on its own terms.
Also, the political categories of left vs right aren’t even that meaningful anymore. As Parodites was saying, these categories are being supplanted by a new paradigm and set of categorical polarities: 1) globalist vs nationalist, and 2) statist vs non-statist. The intersection of wherever you fall on those two polarities is going to determine your political positions and outlook.
The right is pretty stupid much of the time, and the left has become a rabid decaying goo before our eyes. So I talk about how insane the left is because it is insane now, and leftism basically controls directly or indirectly anywhere from 75% to 95% of the western world now in terms of culture, academia, education, entertainment, employment, and even politics (the center has shifted left, in Europe especially but also in America, so that even a “center right” politician is basically agreeing to a large degree of leftist thinking).
The only certain and vital function of left and right has been as a check against the abuses of power of the other, to basically swing the pendulum back the other direction when things get too out of hand. That’s why we have this dichotomous breakdown. It’s useful in his way. But ideology has taken over, first it took over the right in the 80s and 90s and now it’s taken over the left.
Omission gets telling after a while.
What omission?
Maybe you mean the omission of you actually telling me what apparently I am “omitting”. Or your other glaring omissions to actual respond to even a single one of the points I’ve made regarding leftism, either in its virulent cultural Marxist SJW hate mob virtue signaling form or its subservient globalist corporatocratic neoliberal shill form.
Institutions that are now either mostly or entirely ruled by leftism:
-Entertainment (TV, movies, pop culture)
-Media/news
-K-12 education
-Academia
-Human Resources
-Corporate culture/public relations
-Silicon Valley/tech firms/social media
Institutions still ruled somewhat or mostly by the right:
-Religion (if you want to consider this an institution… and Catholicism is swinging more and more left)
-Talk radio (again, not really an institution)
-Military (although leftists are making intrusions here too, e.g. transgender politics)
So you go ahead and try to say that society is not swinging hard left on almost all important issues and in almost all important sectors. The ‘center’ is now firmly on the left; Trump is just a reactionary effect of the dominance of leftism in almost all areas of American life, again as I already said this is due to the inertia from the past, which is slowly dissipating over time. Of course you decline to comment on any of these things.
But no, let’s just keep talking about stupid bible thumpers in Texas, yeah I’m sure that will advance the discussion 
Idiot.
Be very careful what you say on Facefuck and Twatter guys as you might just get a knock on your door…
“We see you’ve been making some threatening posts on the internet, you’re coming with us to the station to be booked.”
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-cJzwunVkk[/youtube]
Just got done reading the New York Times article, “The Boys Are Not Alright.” written by Michael Ian Black.
It’s so obvious now that the toxic primarily white male patriarchy is causing all of the gun shootings across the United States after reading that article. We need to start socially reengineering young boys at an early age to curb any possible inkling of social or societal defiance. It’s the only way we can be sure that our societies remain safe.
Take your stupid trolling elsewhere. I am reporting this above troll post so it can be removed from my topic.
The kids’ reactions to shooting seem very unnatural (and not just kids).
I came across this recently- it’s David Hogg’s indirect connection to Cubic.
youtube.com/watch?v=tehvXO9-nyw
Is it just me, or does this seem like this is somewhat of a sloppy oversight?
Cubic: youtube.com/user/CubicCorporation
And so if they do pass so-called mental hygiene laws for gun ownership, what about mental hygiene laws within the military itself?
Well, that’s the problem when you have the C.I.A., Homeland Security, and other government agencies we’ve probably never even heard about in charge of news media across the country, you just never can tell truth from lies or vice versa. It becomes increasingly difficult to separate fiction from non fiction especially carefully crafted fiction. Nonetheless it doesn’t matter as the damage is done and most cannot think independently on their own to discern anything that is being presented to them. Most news in the United States is carefully crafted for the majority of dumbfounded idiots that makes the bulk of our population for public consumption that graces our upstanding great nation.
Also, I can’t stress enough for people to look into controlled opposition, to be sure you cannot trust mainstream media but think of this also, do you really believe that they don’t control alternative news sources either? When I read anything from anywhere I take everything with a grain of salt assuming that everything is controlled where an agenda is being formed. There really is no safe source of information from anywhere, once you understand all of that the better off you will become.
Both you guys make good points. The lefties want to ban guns and the righties want to ban fun. Clowns to the left of me and jokers to the right:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohRa9lsx0Q[/youtube]
I can have all the guns I want, but by god I can’t buy beer on sunday 
I can’t mow the lawn while drinking or I’ll get a dui. 
I have to run the gauntlet of dui checkpoints on the way to walmart so the gestapo can be sure I haven’t been drinking. 
Yeah I guess I feel marginally safer with all the drunks off the road, but my odds weren’t that great of being in a accident anyway and the monster is far worse for me having the cops constantly looking for someone to harass in between donuts. And the kicker is people still die from dui. How much inconvenience must I endure to ensure my safety? 
OMG don’t get caught with a joint or you’re screwed. $1000 fine right off the bat and all professional licenses gone. A big hit to the permanent record so forget future job opportunities. One joint can cost your life, but at least you have your guns. Oh wait, nope, drug users can’t have guns.
I think my life would be impacted less severely if the left were in charge. Yeah I may lose my gun rights, but I could hide them and they’re too stupid to find them. As a bonus the righteous preachers would get off my ass. Single mothers could find work for a decent wage. Old people could afford to buy their meds. Bernie wasn’t perfect, but I was ready to give it a go, but they HAD to put cankles on the ticket.
^^^True story, Bernie Sanders and his wife are being investigated by the F.B.I. for fraud, look it up.
Well it’s a combination, for some it may be a sense of fairness that keeps them from turning to a life of crime, for others it may be fear, but prisoners relatively lack both.
While it takes courage to be fair, in the sense that you’ll suffer greater losses if others aren’t also being fair, firstly, you can still be wise, and fair, not lower your guard, and secondly, people who’re unfair to the point of breaking the law usually end up in jail, unless they’re wealthy, lucky or cunning and they take small amounts over long periods of time, so in other words: you don’t have as much to fear from their unfairness.
It’s easier to play fair when you have the law protecting you from the worst injustices, like robbery, rape and murder, people can commit, but if the law wasn’t there to protect you, like you suddenly found yourself in a survival situation, you might think, well if I don’t sneak up on him, and get him first, he might just sneak up on me, and get me.
From my research, and experience, poverty is at least correlated with blue collar property crime, if not violent crime too.
People who’re more likely to commit property crime, are more likely to commit violent crime, and people who’re more likely to take illicit drugs, are more likely to commit crime, so Stefan’s statistics don’t exactly make sense.
It could also be they’ve made loads of money, from exploiting poor people for a long time, hiring illegal aliens, shipping jobs overseas, replacing workers with machines, making them increasingly expendable, overpricing, underpaying, cartels, corporate welfare, fine print, fraud, tax loopholes, usury, polluting lakes, rivers and on and on, and they have nightmares of angry mods/peasants lynching/looting them, so they need to sleep with a gun underneath their pillow at night.
They’re all crooks, but that one talked like he would put the pedal to the metal. Obama did things half-assed trying to compromise, but Bernie talked like he’s set to go full Marx. I can’t imagine how it would affect me negatively. Might have to pay some more tax, but eh… I’m not rich so I wouldn’t be in his crosshairs.
The vegas shooting might not have happened, since there would be no reason to shoot at country music Trump fans. The TX church shooting might not have happened since it was an atheist already pissed at christians and Trumpsters probably put him over the edge. We may not have been discussing gun control so much and it might not have been an issue for Bernie to have acted upon. I think Bernie was more passionate about his economic ideas. And I’m curious how it would play out.
Yes, that’s why you fight fair as a last resort. Fairness was Superman’s weakness that Zod et al exploited.
This is just from some notes I have:
From the Man of Steel movie: youtube.com/watch?v=Rm_06apWsRg
Faora: You are weak, Son of El, unsure of yourself. The fact that you possess a sense of morality, and we do not, gives us an evolutionary advantage. And if history has proven anything…
Faora: [Faora picks up Kal-El throws him into another building]
Faora: …It is that evolution always wins.
This bit from the Pirates of the Caribbean illustrates: youtube.com/watch?v=Wxi-IUnCN_8
[i]Will : My father was not a pirate. [takes out his sword]
Jack : Put it away, son. It’s not worth you getting beat again.
Will : You didn’t beat me. you ignored the rules of engagement. In a fair fight, I’d killed you.
Jack : Then that’s not much incentive for me to fight fair, then, is it? [moves one of the sails so that the yard catches Will and swings him out over the sea] Now, as long as you’re just hanging there, pay attention. The only rules that really matter are these – what a man can do and what a man can’t do. For instance, you can accept that your father was a pirate and a good man or you can’t. But pirate is in your blood, boy, so you’ll have to square with that someday. Now, me, for example, I can let you drown but I can’t bring this ship into Tortuga all by me onesy, savvy? So… [swings him back on board and offers him his sword] can you sail under the command of a pirate? Or can you not?[/i]
What’s the incentive to fight fair when someone else won’t?
What’s the incentive to be considerate when others are not?
What is the reward?
The reward is extinction, sometimes.
Survival was a moral as well as a physical struggle. A woman doctor wrote to a friend in June 1933 that she had not yet become a cannibal, but was “not sure that I shall not be one by the time my letter reaches you.” The good people died first. Those who refused to steal or to prostitute themselves died. Those who gave food to others died. Those who refused to eat corpses died. Those who refused to kill their fellow man died. Parents who resisted cannibalism died before their children did. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
To be moral takes courage.
You’re probably right.
The law protects us from some things, but we’re presented with many other ethical decisions that may require us to have courage.