New school shooting, leftist response

A surefire (ha) way to prevent any kind of constructive discourse is to put words in other people’s mouths, to exaggerate, and to build a straw man.

I see this constantly. “I can’t possibly even try to actually understand an opposing view because it feels all icky inside and I have some reasons to think my way, therefore my woefully insufficient, intentionally laughable guesses and caricatures must be their actual reasoning, and that’s just ridiculous! They must be stupid to think like I am thinking they think!”

You think you’re being edgy and clever, knowing others better than they know themselves, when in actual fact you’re presenting yourself as a complete moron who knows nothing - never mind about others, but not even about yourself.

UrGod, you really want to punctuate the above with a slippery-slope fallacy? Why don’t I turn that around and claim that next you will want it to be a basic human right for everyone to own a nuclear weapon. I mean, nuclear weapons don’t kill people, if you misuse or abuse your nuclear weapon that’s your fault as a person.

Perhaps you want to claim that intent or negligence with a gun is just the same as intent or negligence with a knife, or a spoon!? Oops, I dropped my spoon, it’s dirty now. Oops, I dropped my gun, it went off and killed my 5 year old child - both scenarios happen all the time. Any rational person realises there is a line where gambling with inevitable intent or negligence with something that can be used to harm is no longer a safe bet. Other more developed countries have realised that you draw the line before you get to guns, and they get violence with other weapons with much less collateral damage and gun violence all but disappears. WEIRD. It’s like actual facts mean something and making up a ridiculous position that others don’t actually hold means fuck all.

Yes, you did miss anything. You missed everything.

Topkek

You’re begging the question there and also note I’ve never said anything about restrictions on guns where your question is pointless. I’m all for people having guns actually.

Almost a full page in, and no valid, meaningful conversation, just amateur trolling and low iq posturing… well done.

I used to be very pro-gun, but these abundance of school spree-shooting has me second-guessing that.

It maybe time to ban machine guns and “assault” (rapid-fire) rifles to the general public. I would make it only legal to own with very strict guidelines (25 years of age, military service preferred, police service preferred, etc).

These are new times which call for new social mandates. Maybe change is in order?

Sure, let me rephrase that. I am all for people owning guns but concerning civilians no owning of guns that are military grade. Pistols, shotguns, and rifles are fine but nothing beyond that.

Maybe we should look into banning the antianxiety and antidepressants these mass murderers were on, many-most of them were on psychotropics when they committed these atrocities.

Maybe psychotropics ought to be subjected to decades of study, before we permit big pharma to peddle them.

That’s just more symptoms of a much larger problem. The problem is cultural and it is systemic all throughout society.

No, they can’t do that as there is too much profit involved.

If culprits of spree-shootings are on, or were on, medications, then those should be liable for damages. Lawsuits should be filed by schools, familes, victims, and the like, against drug companies and pharmaceuticals. That would compel drug-profiteering to rethink their monopoly on civilization

Wow, they’re really pushing the whole light skinned hispanic Cruz being an evil white nationalist narrative. Pretty hilarious.

I bet lawyers could pull it off, now, and sue drug companies that have been involved with the culprits of spree-shooting.

Politicians need to capitalize on misery for their own gain, of course.

You can’t waste a perfectly good tragedy?

For a so called white supremacist Nikolas Cruz sure did kill a lot of white people.

Jewish American media going to keep on Jewing…

exactly!
There’s many factors worth looking into for why these young, and older men, carry these acts out.
Many of them come from broken homes, dysfunctional families, many of them were bullied at school.
And many of them were in and out of psychiatric institutions, and on drugs during or around the time the atrocity was committed.

More than perhaps any first world nation, America is a violent culture, it’s in your history, it’s in your media and entertainment.
America has the largest military in the world, and goes to war more than any other nation.
Since WW2, a year hasn’t gone by where America wasn’t at war.
I mean forgive me if I’m sounding condescending here, Canada has its fair share of problems too, but it’s just as fact as fact can be America is more violent.

everything is bigger in America, its penchant for violence is matched by its penchant for innovation, industry and consumption.
Americans are extreme, there’s no half measures with them, when they’re angry, they’re pissed off to the max!
And along with violence there’s arguably a lack of social and governmental support structures, stemming from a sort of dog-eat-dog, Social Darwinian mentality.

I mean other nations have a history of violence too, the UK, Germany, Japan, but these nations are no longer superpowers, the UK has had its heyday, and Germany and Japan have been humiliated.
Decades of exposure to that kind of culture has a cumulative effect, particularly on individuals who, for whatever reasons, genetic, socioeconomic, medical, have a predisposition to anger.

You forgot the biggest lynch pin, the United States for a western industrial nation has the highest amount of social-economic inequality. Everything else is secondary to that. That right there is the biggest breeder of hate, rage, anger, and division above all else.

@Zero Sum

Not at all, I kind of alluded to that when I said this:

But yea, agreed, the level of inequality in America is absurd.

I don’t much like Christianity or biblical verses as an atheist but I’ll go a head and use an allegory here, how lucky am I to have been born in a virtual Sodom and Gomorrah?

Fuck my life! Here I am at the epicenter with front row tickets!

When Jehovah asked Cain where his brother was, and Cain replied: how should I know, am I my brother’s keeper???

Americans sided with Cain.

Am I my brother’s keeper???

Uncle Sam: hellllll, no!

All I want is the opportunity to get some buck shot in the face of Uncle Sam. Daydreams