Will Theists Accept A God That is Inferior to Another's?

Biguous? Do you have any evidence that the speed of light is not absolutely perfect, flawed in some way?

It would be better to say that the speed of light in vacuum is absolutely consistent rather than absolutely
perfect because consistency can quite easily be measured whereas perfection can not be measured at all

That’s kind of silly. If you can’t measure perfection, then you can never say that anything is or is not perfect.

Are two photons of light traveling in the exact same vacuum traveling perfectly the same speed?

Everyone knows the speed of light in vacuum is absolute so there is no need to reference it as perfect too
Perfect is not actually a scientific term and I have never seen anyone describe c as perfect other than you

As this is going nowhere we shall have to agree to disagree and leave it at that as it is pointless to carry on
This thread has got nothing to do with the speed of light so we really should get back on to the actual topic

Why use the word “perfect” for anything at all?

What purpose does the word have?

Even when talking about God, it seems useless.

It is, but someone thought he could make a proof out of it.

Actually the Quran [core of Islam] claims Allah is the absolutely perfect being.
Islam claimed there is only one God, i.e. Allah who send messages through various prophets and messengers but all of God’s messages were corrupted and Islam is the only final true words of God.

The Quran [Allah’ word] asserted Allah is not the same as the Christian God which give birth to a son. In this sense Allah is more superior to Jesus’s Father [Christian’s God].

Allah in the Quran do agree the God portrayed in Judaism-as-it-is-Now is a corrupted God from the original God that send the original message to Abraham, Moses and others.

So from Islam’s perspective, The Abrahamic God of Christianity and Islam and Judaism are NOT the same.

I believe most Christians will not agree Allah as idealized in the Quran is not the same as Jesus’s Father.

In addition, each Judaism, Christianity, and Islam in general will claim the non-Abrahamic Gods are inferior to their respective Abrahamic God.

With all the differences and claims, each religion will try to ensure their God’s utmost integrity and ultimately reason will lead them to an ontological God, i.e. an absolutely perfect Being.

I agree, there are no natural phenomenon that is empirically based which can be asbsolutely perfect.
Absolute = totally unconditional.
Natural phenomena can only be realized within a conditional empirical-rational framework, e.g. Science.

The idea of God is a resultant of psychological impulses and primal reason [very crude logic] and God is not a natural thing. God is only a thought.

The difference between an idea and a thought befuddled.

I have not define absolutely perfect in this OP.
I have defined ‘absolute’ ‘perfect’ with explanations in this OP; viewtopic.php?f=5&t=193474

Nope your definition of ‘absolute’ and ‘perfect’ is not the same as mine.

The speed of light, gravitation, momentum are all scientific terms with their associated theories.
These theories cannot be absolutely perfect because they are conditional upon the Scientific Framework which generate at best, polished conjectures [Popper]. Because they are conditional, they cannot be absolutely perfect [as defined].

Don’t get your point. Need more details.
If you are referring to my use of ‘idea’ it is with reference to ‘idea’ in the philosophical sense, i.e. Kantian.
Thought is a basic mental element.
A philosophical ‘idea’ is a thought that lacks empirical basis.
A philosophical ‘concept’ is a thought that has an empirical basis with intellectual consideration.

The glaring pathos comes out of his words, when his inferential logic tries to escape the frequently schematic populism of of show me proof, which escapes the deeper(est) recesses of the mind.

Which is only a conjecture on my part.

I agree with the above.

This is the point of consideration.
Because there is a psychological desperation of an existential dilemma, the more affected [like theists] idealized a God which ultimately must be ideal and unique which nothing can be compared to it. This is the ontological God, i.e. ‘a god than which no greater can exists’. This what the Jews, Christians, Muslims, and others theists will claim for their God.

I have explained elsewhere why God ultimately must be absolutely perfect. In general is it re OP, no theist will naturally accept a God that is inferior to another God. Some nasty theists who believe their God is absolutely perfect and all powerful will be able to command the lesser God to kiss the ass of the superior God.

Therefore any theists who want to ensure their God will not in any inferior to kiss the ass of another God, will ultimately end up with an ontological God.

Agree in general with the points you raised.
I have highlighted the difference between ‘absolute perfection’ and ‘conditional perfection.’
The examples you gave are conditional perfection, e.g. a perfect score in an objective test, a perfect score 7/7 or 10/10 in a diving or gymnastic competition. Such conditional perfection are conditioned upon some agreed criteria within a group people.

Re the highlighted above.
The grounds of an idealized God is psychological and crude primal reason and cannot be a natural thing. Theists will claim God is a natural thing. If natural, then prove it naturally and this is not possible, i.e. impossible.

Those theists with higher intellectual capacity [more than the average, e.g. theologian philosophers] know God cannot meet natural expectation, that is why they concede it is by ‘faith.’
Without the natural means to prove God, these more intelligent theists push their limits of reason to establish an absolutely perfect God, i.e. an ontological God, e.g. St Anselm, Descartes and others.

I agree an absolutely perfect God, i.e. an ontological God seem reasonable and possible but only within thought and definitely not within an empirical-rational reality.
On closer scrutiny the argument for an absolutely perfect being is fallacious as it make a leap from infinite regression.

I wonder about the psychology behind repeatedly using the phrase “kiss the ass”.

As stated above, whatever is claimed to be ‘perfect’/‘absolute’ and it is scientifically based, such absoluteness and perfection can only be conditional perfection or conditional absolutes. Note absolute temperature - kelvin. Note absolute monarch, absolute-whatever-is-conditioned.

Re my response to Phyllo above, God being driven by psychological desperation has to be unique, ideal and beyond comparison, thus absolutely perfect as established by primal crude reason. Note this is not my claim but such an idea of absolute perfection is claimed by theists and potentially by any other normal theists.

Represent subservient and being totally dominated. I wanted to use the phrase, ‘eat the shit’ of the more superior God but avoided that.
This is to emphasize strongly the desperation why the idea of a God MUST be an ontological, i.e. absolutely perfect Being so as to avoid the above vile repulsive act.

Note my response to you earlier.
The need to attribute to God the term ‘absolutely perfect’ by theists is to ensure their god is not dominated by another superior and ended up possibly being commanded to kiss the arse of the more superior God.

This one-up impulse is inherent in humans and one can hear and infer a lot of such impulses in school yards which continue into adulthood in more subtle ways [some are crude] and manifesting in an absolutely perfect God than which no greater perfection is possible.

They each claim that the non-Abramic gods are not “true gods” because there is only but one true God, “Creator of Heaven and Earth”.

They each claim that the others are corrupted with misunderstandings. And being perfect has nothing to do with being an “ontological god”. Being perfect is not a part of any definition of God either. Being perfect is one of the characteristics attributed to God.

You have too much of your Indian/Arab unbringing showing.

Which was exactly my point.

How would you know? I didn’t define mine except to say that it is the same as yours. So you’re wrong.

So what?

A mistake that I expected for you to make. I said nothing of the theories. Theories are man-made concepts, expected to be flawed. I specifically said “the ACTUAL speed of light”, not anyone’s theory concerning it.

Yet you didn’t agree to it when I first said it long ago, nor do you use what phyllo just said. Did you read it right? Probably not.

Again, you preach out of complete ignorance.

No you haven’t. You merely preach that what you want people to believe is true. There has been no actual reasoning (philosophy) behind any of it.

Again, you express your ignorance. There are no “other Gods” in any Abramic religion. Each sect or denomination believes that the others are merely confused (much like you).

Which was nonsense from the get-go and which many people have explained to you.

Just more of your hate-religious BS, void of any actual intellectual support. Your references to Hume have been laughable and certainly not proof of anything.

It is sometimes difficult to tell the distinction between certain Middle and Eastern adults from European children.

Bottom line:
The ACTUAL speed of light is an empirical example of YOUR defined “absolute perfection”.

And even if it wasn’t, you have no proof of your P1 premise that absolute perfection is impossible, thus your syllogism is invalid.

The only way to prove and realized the empirical-rational reality is via some conditional Framework and Systems, thus such cannot be absolutely perfect, i.e. unconditional.

Note I qualified my P1, i.e. Absolute Perfection is an Impossibility within an empirical rational reality.
Since the only way to prove anything within the empirical-rational reality is via conditional Framework and System,
Absolute [unconditional] Perfection is an Impossibility within an empirical rational reality.

I agree there is possibility for a God is exists within thoughts and primal crude reason, but as Kant asserted this is pseudo-rational and an illusion.

God which is an Absolute [unconditional] Perfection is an Impossibility within an empirical rational reality.

The real possibility of why and how the idea of God arose and claimed as real within an empirical-rational reality is due to desperate existential psychological impulses. I have provided links and references to show in cases where the idea of God arose in the mind of some people driven by psychological impulses.