Why pro-choice is so important

I have zero opinion on abortion being neither pro nor anti
One thing though : pro lifers are not pro life but pro birth

Consider the individual who would someday evolve from that unborn baby.

How many lives might it have possibly, potentially someday have saved through medicine, wartime, et cetera?

How many wonderful useful books might it have written had he/she lived?

How much love, caring and happiness might this individual have extended to many others? What if the woman, who was someday to become Mother Teresa, had been aborted as a fetus?

Consider this individual having grown up and having a joyful happy purposeful life. An abortion would have denied this individual a life full of qualia.

Doesn’t each and every individual ALSO affect us and the universe in great ways which we could not even imagine?

What would be right about aborting this fetus?!

The pointlessness of such “what if” questions …

What if it develops into an adult who kills countless people? Or starts the final war which annihilates the human race? Or creates a genetically modified organism which devastates plants and animals?

Why are the above thoughts of positive potential and possibilities so pointless though?
Abortion is by no means a black and white issue.
Questions of morality and ethics are not the same as 1+1=2 are they?
They can be extremely difficult even with having all of the facts.
Very often, there are not many facts. It is just a question of wanting to lay waste a potential human being.
We value our things more than our children and future children.

I was simply coming from a place which ALSO answered the question: Why is it wrong to abort a fetus?
I am quite aware of the other side of the coin there and its edge.

When does aborting a fetus cause the least amount of harm to both unborn child and mother?

Because you don’t know how fetus will develop except in a very general sense. One can write a story where it is highly accomplished and/or good and one can write a story where it is incompetent or evil. All are fictions. Statistically it’s most likely to be “average”, having “common” human experiences and achievements.

A fictitious story is not a good reason to abort or not to abort the fetus. It has emotional pull so it sways opinions.

Yes, it’s all about how we value things and what we value.

You are presenting an argument based on appeal to emotion which is a logical fallacy

One could say that human life is intrinsically valuable. But is it more valuable than the value that a woman places on the ability to control her own life?

Is it considered ethical to kill a life so as to make your own life more in control or more comfortable?
Well, to anyone other than women?

There is a difference between killing a living person … someone with consciousness, established relationships, who feels pain and “killing” a fetus which has none of that.

So it’s okay for a male to kill one?
A dog?
A virus?

You’re a smart guy. You know that details make all the difference.

:wink:

Speaking of details, since a fetus is an oncoming child, considering the magnitude, consequences, and number of paternity suits, it has horrendous potential damage to the male. So by the reasoning that the female has rights to protect her own life from an oncoming child, the male probably has even more right to destroy the fetus even if the female doesn’t want to.

And if the father agrees to and attempts in any way, the abortion, he has just grounds to sue the mother for very serious damages to his life.

Statistically, the odds of any of this shit happening are pretty slim.

Your response speaks volumes about your level of maturity and about your ability to participate in a dialoge about a controversial topic. There isn’t much that I could say to make you look dumber than you have here on your own. Thanks for the help.

Please refer to my original statement about how intelligent discourse may not be for you.

Actually, I was not, surreptitious. I was basing my argument, as I see it, on future possibilities (they do exist, you know) and on a reasonable attempt to question whether abortion ought to be automatic simply because one wants it that way. That is not to say that our arguments/discussions on abortion cannot become emotional.

I am quite capable of being the emotional creature. Many in here know that but I am also quite capable of being a fierce unemotional creature. lol

Are you saying that the statements which I made cannot be seen as “ethical” arguments although some might consider them to be superfluous?

They only become pointless to some who do not want to see a larger picture. If we do not open Schrodinger’s box and look inside, how will we know if that cat is dead or alive or what he even looks like?