Autumn Asphodel

gib

Sorry if I am confusing the matter.

It may be the wrong way of me to put it “being turned off”. It could be that I was not explaining my self in such a manner that would have led to a clear understanding of what I was trying to express. I will try to think of a better explanation than the one I had before.

I am also thinking that what I said before may even seem unrelated. This sort of thing is maybe what goes on with a split personality, I am not sure.

I myself have been diagnosed with schizophrenia co-morbid anxiety and have noticed that my own memory works in a peculiar way - that sometimes different points in reality(memories) become intermingled and still seem as real to me as if I was having a memory related to my current reality at any given moment.

I feel that my mind is trying to optimize in some fashion - hopefully I am starting to make a little more sense.

I’m not sure if it has anything to do with split personality, but whether we see things as related or not has a lot to do with how our neurons are wired. For you, two ideas might be closely related because they are neurally connected in your brain. For me, there may be little neural connection.

It’s a fact that memories get distorted over time.

That’s called adaptation. We all do that. :wink:

gib

You say in the original post: Now, for me, there’s a question of whether this is real or all just an act. Given that analyzing the act seems a little boring to me then that only leaves the situation as if it is a reality for these people - so I hypothesize on the case of it being a reality.

I feel the need to hypothesize on these things, even if somewhat briefly - then I feel the need to share even when it might sound strange. I am sure the beginnings of most breakthroughs would have sounded preposterous early in their development. I present only ideas for further analysis.

I am going to proceed here rather casually and not pay too much attention to grammar or structured propositions . . .
. . . and let my discourse be more suggestive and intuitive . . .

The memory queue is: memory optimization.

The memory of these individual personalities must work in a peculiar way. Having a new personality surface for one, should be first treated as if a new baby has been born i.e. another person added to society that has a fresh set of memories. Each individual personality is different from the next, just as each one of us is different from each other and have a different set of memories.

Yes, it is, and I am thinking that it is a difference in how the memories get distorted over time that might make a difference to how a person that suffers from split personality gets there in the first place. I mean is there any evidence that these people suffer this from birth - if not then they must acquire it somehow - if so then would it not be possible that the “wiring” for memories is being done wrong - either way one has to ask how?

As with any society there is the problem of real estate; that is that the brain is only so big and linear time only allows one personality fully through at any given moment. I imagine that memories also get attached and not just distorted. In fact I imagine a few things are happening to memory in any given twenty four hour period. We assume that in most people one set of memories are being worked on by the brain at a time but this does happen in such a way as to be parallel and not just linear so therefore I suggest that the splitting of these parallel sequences is part of what is causing the split personality. The memories get attached to a particular personality.

Good points . . . I am still not convinced that how neurons are wired has as much to do with on the fly thinking as we would like to believe - I had a thought that since our thinking is always performed in the past that awareness is actually an interpolation of our two most recent memories. This kind of memory is temporary and strengthens existing connections within the brain that allow for integrations of a new memory at a later point in time. Therefore our rationality is bound by past events. If a past event is being split for a particular unknown purpose then it maybe added to a personality.

Our memories also adapt. A good example of this is when the brain heals itself - healing is a process similar to what I have presented - well at least it could be.

Keep in mind that these are some casual thoughts . . .

You would think, wouldn’t you? But the case of Mia above suggests that personalities can be spawned bootstrapped as a fully developped character with (perhaps false) memories. For example, Harley Quinn is one of Mia’s alters and she remembers being from Brooklyn.

I’ve never heard of a case of a person being born with DID. They say DID is triggered by a traumatic event. The personality splits so that one can have the experience of “it didn’t happen to me” while the other remains dormant or unconscious if it can.

That’s possible. The parallel processing of memories may be leveraged by DID.

So how would that tie into your theory about our two most recent memories? Are you saying sometimes those two memories don’t always come together? That they can sometimes split, one going off to spawn new thoughts and new memories that are completely disconnect with the other and its new thoughts and new memories?

gib

The split personality is more peculiar than I first anticipated and I can not be certain that I am not getting myself a little lost in the subject matter.

I will perhaps read up a little on DID and leave you with the following for now . . .

There must be some initial point of spawning; now that I think of it, there maybe multiple points of spawning that bootstrap this fully developed character. I am thinking if these artificial memories are really there then they could be modified memories of other memories; I wonder whether the person would have to know about Brooklyn first for it to become attached - else we are talking about a possession.

It seems to me that they are acquiring DID somehow and traumatic events must be capable of triggering the original split and lay the foundation for other splits. Maybe each personality after the first furthers the separation from the trauma allowing the true personality to lay dormant as you put it.

Parallel processing of memories

Indeed. My intuition now tells me that DID is perhaps even more complex than this. I am guessing that the the initial trauma leads to a type of PTSD. That the stress part of PTSD is not so much expressed as stress but these personalities instead . . . P-T-DID-D? Or something like that.

Well, you are of course correct that how neurons are wired has everything to do with it - my thought was relating to the “bleeding edge” of awareness; the very next decisions that we make from the state of awareness have very limited time to be made and works somewhat like a lotto machine based on many different sets of past memories << man I hope that makes sense, sometimes I confuse myself >> Your mention of the Fibonacci sequence takes me back and yes, like the Fibonacci sequence.

I use the number two to be more figurative than anything - surely it is slightly more complicated than this - however for the sake of conversation, sometimes one must reduce to the first principles that can be made of a more complex situation - so I suggest a complex interpolation of sorts with a simple idea utilizing two memories instead of the whole picture - I think it proves useful. So in saying this, I would guess the part of the memory sequence that is the furthest away from the state of awareness is somehow able to corrupt an unintended memory sequence in an around about sort of way - perhaps a part of the sequence that has been previously attached to a difference sequence altogether << this is more conceptual conversation filler than anything.

I recommend watching the videos I posted. The one on Mia is short (about 10 minutes).

Yes, but knowing otherworldly spirits, they would probably be very cautious about demonstrating things that could be pointed at as example of the truly paranormal. They don’t want to be caught.

Maybe. I think most likely: when you do it once, it becomes easier every subsequent time.

Well, PTSD is a case where the stress is too much for all the “healthy” ways of handling it are overwhelmed and consequently break down. Thus you get all these extremely eradic unusual responses… DID being one of them though rare.

You make perfect sense (unless I’m totally misinterpreting you). You mean to say when we think new thoughts–thoughts for which there is no laid down pattern. In those cases, I would think the neural pathways our thoughts take are a lot more random (i.e. creative), and if one person forms a connection between what at first are randomly connected thoughts, another person may need guidance to see how those thoughts are connected.

Ah, that is not only more realistic but believable too. The corrupting influence: do you think that might be because the distance of this memory from awareness makes it unconscious, and therefore consciousness is less able to recognize its corrupting influence?

Transgendered = mental illness.

At any rate society promotes a lot of approved forms of mental illness institutionally so no surprise there.

^^^At any rate I kinda do understand transgenderism as a mental illness to a certain point in that it practically sucks being a man in modern times if you’re not born into wealth where basically you are forced to go through life alone with no social aid, community protection, and societal empathy being male, so disenfranchised males get their penises cut off made into vaginas surgically next getting breast augmentation supposedly becoming women getting benefits from society that they would never get as being a male. This is the sick twisted world we live in.

Disenfranchised men would rather cut their dicks off added with breast augmentation and become women than deal with the sexual tyranny against them in society being male.

Add all of that with suicide rates of males and a bigger picture forms.

Of course amongst transgendered people there are enormous suicide rates also.

Mental illness is a completely subjective term. Redheads are rare… let’s call it an illness.

No comparison.

Mental illness can be measured by the degree of which one can be rational. Of course, deciding what is or is not rational is beyond the skill of most, if not all, psychiatrists, but that’s a different story.

Most people are irrational to one degree or another and in different ways. Most irrationality is not of serious issue and can even enhance the lives of other more rational people, thus is socially acceptable even at the expense of the perpetrator. Irrationality isn’t an issue until it is seen as a dangerous type. But unfortunately what is or isn’t a dangerous type of irrationality is beyond the scope of the erudite.

If a person is switching from one personality to another, the indication is that a rational choice of personality cannot be settled upon. It isn’t impossible that such switching is actually the most rational thing to do, but such would hardly ever actually be the case. Most switching of personalities (when not merely faked like these videos) is not the result of careful rational choice, but rather desperate attempts to manage what is perceived to be a untenable situation.

Again, in almost every case, such desperation is the result of biomedical/neurological and irrationality issues that are merely enhanced by psychological circumstances.

Exactly.

I fail to see your point.

I’m saying the same applies to you. transgenderism = mental illness is not a good comparison unless you’re willing to accept it’s only a subjective opinion.

Your comparison of redheads was ridiculous, that’s what my comment saying no comparison was about. For me there is no sexual confusion of biological identity that transgenderism asserts, you’re either born a man or a woman. There is no confusion of biological determination.

Transgenderism seems to be psychologically reactionary not something that is biologically determined or innate. The confusion they often express is a psychological reaction to a social environment that often enough in our present the sexes are assaulted everyday by various corruptible socio-political institutions.

So confusion of sexual/biological determination is what qualifies for a mental disorder?

It’s Hillary’s fault!

Transgenderism and all other deviations from normal human psychology and behavior are just the result of the biological diversity that emerges when a population becomes large enough. You get freaks. Most of the time, in the current environment in which they evolve, life is exceedingly difficult for these people, and on this basis you could consider it a “disorder”, but change the environment to suit their needs and propensities, and they become the new “fit”.

If nature didn’t intend so called transgendered men to be males instead of females it wouldn’t of born them into this world with dicks. No, I’m by all no means an expert in that I don’t have a college degree on transgenderism, whiteness studies, or under water lesbian basket weaving but I think that what I’m saying is somewhat more closer to the reality of things. Hillary’s fault? That was random even for a Canadian leaf.

It’s good that your aware of this, but it behooves one to take stock of what this means. It means that when we speak of things like the reasons one might want to switch genders, or what one’s motives are in living a chosen lifestyle, we’re talking about things of which there is an external truth. If this were hard science, I’d say you were speaking of things about which you could be proven wrong (with transgenderism and other deviant mental dispositions, it’s much harder to verify scientifically, but there is a truth of the matter that should not be confused with one’s opinion). In other words, this isn’t just a matter of hashing out the philosophical logic of our opinions. There are facts on the matter about which a bit of armchair philosophy won’t suffice to determine.

Oh, I doubt that. If you had elaborated your point with a few extra sentences, I’ll bet you would have brought in “liberals” and the name “Clinton” probably would have made an appearance… that’s usually the way these diatribes go (in my experience)… but you may be different.

This comes to nature versus nurture in debate or biological determinism versus free will, while I certainly lean more towards biological determinism[nature] I will acknowledge that not everything is pre-determined. [Although many things do seem to be.]My views on that are somewhat in the middle leaning more towards biological determinism. Still, I don’t think there is any strong argument against biological determinism when it concerns the sexes or gender on a subject basis.

While I don’t like political neo-liberalism I am no fan of conservatism either as it is also problematic. I see myself as more of a centrist moderate socialist that is disparagingly critical of democracy. In some ways I view feudal monarchy [a more socialized] variety as the natural tribal nature of human beings in social hierarchy. My ideal is the world led by a very rational philosopher king. Interpret that as you wish.

Biological determinism makes sense to me. But when it comes to mental disorders, you will find plenty of examples on either side of the debate–nature or nurture.

In many ways, I think the leaders we have are philosopher kings. I don’t mean an academic straight out of university, I mean that most leaders bring with them an ideology for which they are prepared to argument in a philosophical spirit. I think most leaders would have to have the ability to be a philosopher at the very least in order to be effective. If they were smart (which they’d have to be) I doubt they’d act like your stereotypical philosopher–that probably wouldn’t go over very well.

These days, I’ve been feeling more left leaning. I was a little right leaning for a while and then I got fed up with how much conservatives just seem like major assholes. Still don’t have any faith in government though, but since when does anyone care for that definition anymore.