Unwarn me, I was falsely warned for no reason.

When did that happen?

Three or four days ago, as far as I know.


Trixie was banned four days ago and now posts at Philosophy Now

The question reamains: Why followed this permaban?


A member is automatically permabanned after receiving six suspensions which she already had

I thought that the question was, why there was that warning at all. :bulb:

Is there an appeals process for this? Surely we arenā€™t summarily exiling people on strict liability for simply having too many infractions.

When I was a teenager, you could get a speeding ticket, and just go and pay it, and you could go right back out and speed again, and when you got another ticket, you just paid it. If you had the money, you could have the freedom to speed. Thatā€™s some real American shit right there. But then one day they started with a point system where when you get the ticket, you have to pay, and you get some points on your license. Too many points too fast, and they take your license for a while. Happened to me a handful of times. It really sucked, seemed totally oppressive, and inhibited my freedom as an American who likes to drive fast.

She is banned. The ban rules were recently updated here:
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=167245
Thereā€™s no appeals procedure in place, as you know.

As I understand it from her user notes, it was for ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.ph ā€¦ 8#p2683698 and (predominantly) the subsequent postings.

The ban was not specifically for those posts, but the general behaviour: she had 11 warnings in the past 2 years. At a certain point signal:noise ratio comes into consideration, as adjudged by the moderators.

If it had been for that posting and the subsequent postings, then the two who posted in that thread before Ultimate Philosophy 1001 would have been permabanned for a very, very long time.

Itā€™s all politics of course. Except for the parts that are not.

And Trixie was a Kid. Except for the times s/he wasnā€™t. And who knows where the ā€œrealā€ Trixie ends and the personas begin.

Iā€™m not entirely certain where that is applicable even to myself.

Personally, Iā€™m against anyone being permanently banned from ILP. A forum should be created similar to the dungeon at KT. Only members would be permitted to visit.

Trixie, AutSider, Satyr, Lyssa et al were all capable of contributing posts that [while rubbing many the wrong way] provoked thought.

Sure, breaking the rules, huffing and puffing and being deemed an asshole should be reason enough to get you booted from all the other forums. And politics will always be in play here.

But why not set aside a forum for the more extreme opinion.

So you are also saying that the issue is handled in a very unfair/unjust way.

Maybe you want to read the following threads:

UP1001, on behalf of a bunch of people here who would probably disagree with the notion of me speaking on their behalf, you are now officially unwarned and theyā€™re all sorry for their wrongs.

I suspect that Autsider is already back and you will be able to enjoy his quality posts again. :smiley:

now let me state at the outset, I dislike Trixie
and her many disjointed and confused postsā€¦
however, with that said, banning someone is by its
very nature, subjectiveā€¦ who are we to say, you are allowed
to post and you arenā€™tā€¦one might say the rulesā€¦ but
the rules themselves are subjective, subject to change and
interpretationā€¦I do believe that ILP is better off without
Trixie but, I donā€™t think that any sort of ban is the answerā€¦

if offer a choice, I would vote to allow her to remainā€¦
for the simple reason, that for us to learn, we must allow all
post, all voices to engage, otherwise we risk just having voices
that we approve of and that fit into OUR narrativeā€¦
contrary voices, voices we donā€™t approve of, piss us off, granted
but they are voices we must hear because they do offer us
other options, options we might not be aware of otherwiseā€¦

for the truth is not just voices we approve of or that fit into our narrative,
the truth lies in many different voices and we must allow those voices
to be heardā€¦ to silence one voice, EVEN IF DONE FOR THE RIGHT REASON,
says something about us louder then we may want to hearā€¦

we will let you speak if only you say what we want to hear

and is that the message ILP really wants to be?

Kropotkin

No, Iā€™m suggesting that, among other thingsā€¦

1] the gap between ā€œbreaking the rulesā€ and interpreting what that means can sometimes devolve into politics. A personal reaction to some posters that, for whatever reason, particular moderators would like to see gone. The part that I suggest is, in turn, embedded in dasein.

2] some posters here do seem more intent on riling folks up ā€” trolling? ā€“ than in contributing actual substantive points of view. Or they come here basically to ā€œchit-chatā€. As though ILP were just one more ā€œsocial mediaā€ outlet.

3] some objectivists here are also extremists. Not only are they intent on espousing one or another religious/political/philosophical etc., narrative, but will often become incensed when others refuse to share their point of view.

They seem unable to resist huffing and puffing. Haranguing those they construe to be ā€œone of themā€: the ā€œmoronsā€, the ā€œretardsā€.

4] Aside from posters who are clearly breaking the rules, how these things are ā€œhandledā€ are either just or unjust, fair or unfair, from a particular subjective point of view. Itā€™s just that some insist that, on the contrary, we can always know for sure. By simply agreeing with them.

My interest in AutSider revolves largely around his refusal to engage in an exchange in which we examine his extremist political agenda as derived from 1] a careful intellectual/philosophical examination of the issues and/or 2] rooted more in the manner in which I construe the relationship between objectivism and dasein in a world embedded in both conflicting goods and political economy.

How did he come to believe what he does? How was it embodied in the particular existential trajectory that is his actual lived life?

The psychology of objectivism in other words.

But he wonā€™t go there.

What significant fact could he tell you? And if he did tell, then how could you possibly appreciate or understand it given that his trajectory is different from yours?

Dasein isolates you from others ā€¦ such is the nature of dasein.
:confusion-shrug:

I disagree strongly that the risk of an echo chamber outweighs any other considerations. Thereā€™s the risk of this turning into usenet, full of viagra spam and conspiraloons. Thereā€™s the risk of it turning into a screaming kindergarten. The risk of losing the signal in the noise is considerably greater. Thatā€™s why this is a moderated philosophy forum. If you want to learn from people who arenā€™t interested in framing philosophical thoughts, thatā€™s your good right, but there are many far more appropriate places to do that than here.

There are plenty of posters here with whom I disagree, whose opinions I donā€™t approve of, whom I consider outright wrong/inconsistent/illogical, or facile, and so on. Theyā€™re all welcome to offer their options, because they do so in a way that allows, even promotes, discussion.

K: thank you for your responseā€¦ I suggest however that there is a faction that
is allowed to post here that is anti-Jew, anti-black, anti-minorities and this same faction
has been allowed to post their racist, sexist, conspiracy theories without repercussionā€¦
how is allowing this vile anti-human crap any better then Trixieā€™s insane messagesā€¦
having racist, sexist anti-human poster does not ā€œpromoteā€ discussion as much as
it denigrates other peopleā€¦for the sole benefit of making those anti-humans feeling
better about themselvesā€¦I would suggest that this is a double standardā€¦allowing
one type of really crappy posting but refusing another type of really crappy postingā€¦
they both are bottom of the barrel posting but if we allow one, we need to
allow the otherā€¦I do understand your positionā€¦ I am just pointing out the
double standard in really crappy postingsā€¦

Kropotkin