Inconvenient Reality wrote:Very disingenuous debate, no?
No. I literally can't go to your source because it's blocked for being racist, based on standards I didn't set and can't control. I can look at the Wikipedia page for the magazine, and there I can see both how they've been characterized by mainstream media sources, and what I take to be an accurately quoted self-description. I take from all of this that "biased" is an accurate description.
But I'm not trying to reject the source for that reason. What I'm trying to do is point out that WendyDarling isn't applying a fair standard to the evidence before her. When she looks at studies that undermine her position, the mere race of the author is enough to completely reject all of the study's findings. But when presented with a study that supports her position, the fact that it's a magazine article produced by an organization with an explicit agenda of finding consistent race-based differences in all measurable human attributes isn't seen as at all disqualifying. That lack of neutrality is a problem.
When I dump a bunch of studies, it's because WendyDarling is using ad hoc justifications for rejecting conclusions she doesn't like. She's using standards she didn't have until she was confronted with a study that met her expressed standards. I dumped studies because they reach the same conclusions using different methods, and they undermine her focus on the minutiae of one study. I don't doubt that she could find some detail in each of those studies that she could claim as a reason to reject its findings, but I expect those details to be ad hoc and to be things in study design she's never been concerned about until she had a study she needed a reason to reject. Again, there's a lack of neutrality, and study dumping is just a way of making clearer that her real problem with the study is that she doesn't like the conclusion.
This isn't reframing anything. WendyDarling asked me to create this thread to discuss studies showing that black people face bias from the police, and that's what we're still doing. The only time I brought up "racist" is when WendyDarling suddenly introduced the standard that no study from a black person would count, and I only brought it up for the limited purpose of saying that an article promulgated by a clearly motivated organization should be rejected too if she were applying a fair standard. It's "BOOM, no more opposing study" under WendyDarling's own standard of what counts as a valid study.
I appreciate your participation in this thread, but if you're going to participate, then participate in this thread, not every strawman of a conversation with a liberal you've seen described on Stormfront. I'm not calling WendyDarling a racist, I'm not calling white people racist, I'm not even calling the police racist. I'm saying, black people face an undue burden from police, and studies that look at real world data and apply reasonable analytical methods back up that claim.
/rant