Eating meat is good

This, on the other hand, is Moby Dick. The Odyssey.
I bow to you, great Literatrix.

Will you now put on them patches?

I would put on the patches, so I can attain a great peace of mind, so much so that my posts will attain a post quality such that would incur the envy of even the gods.

No, I have never envied you.

Thank you for this response. I asked “why” not to challenge you, but because I genuinely wanted to know your reasoning on the matter.

Personally, I am not a vegetarian, but I do value all forms of life. I value life, be it human or cow or insect or plant, because it is finite and full of possibility. I think that valuing the life of something you’re going to eat is perfectly reasonable, and leads to an appreciation of what you’re being given when you take that life.

Converting vegetarians:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJDpXPVFRUo[/youtube]

See thats what I like. Someone who is willing to work for it.

Made a 1/3 pound burger, grass fed local fresh beef grilled to medium well over a fire with melted cheddar on top.

Yeah, that’s what we call converting vegetarians.

You might consider the quality of life that that cow whose meat you are about to partake in may have had at some point in time. Think of it as having grazed in green pastures and sometimes looking up at a beautiful blue sky. I have no idea what wonderful sense cows may experience in moments like this. But make her come alive to you. See the similarities lol between your life and her past life~~ that sense of enjoyment and qualia of being which both of you experienced.

Then she may become more to you than a piece of meat and you can be even more grateful and respectful for what you are about to partake in…namely ~~ her destiny and purpose being fulfilled through you.

The way I see it, if God didn’t want us to eat animals, why did He make them out of delicious meat?

:laughing:

I’m not against eating meat, but our anatomy suggests that our ideal diet is primarily plant-based. In any case I don’t expect us to grow out longer and sharper fangs and claws any time soon.

You could keep one as a pet, which you argue later gives them a higher value.

Not for you and not for some Chinese when evaluating dogs.

Most people do not present much value to me, but I don’t eat them and would refuse to. Am I confused?

It would be impossible to expand the spheres of our valuing to include the whole world, this is why we care more about people we know than people we do not know, and this is perfectly rational to do. It is simply a limit in how we are made, how valuing works. And consciousness is based on valuing. We actually are able to care about what/who we actually… care about. It’s basic stuff, but many people do not even understand this.

AGain most people are not valuable to you. Would you have only practical objects to nuking Madagascar?

Values are ordered into hierarchies. It is irrational to ignore a higher-order value for a lesser-order value. If cows were able to be valued by us on a higher level than as our meal, then we would value them like that. But they aren’t. So the fact that the cow is alive and doesn’t want to die and doesn’t want to suffer isn’t much relevant to us, even though we know those are highly relevant to the cow.

Me personally, I would get more out of a pet cow, if I had land, than a pet cat. The cows eat grass, are really quite friendly, are less selfish than cats, do not kill songbirds, do not cause allergies, do not carry parasites that cause a lot of neurological issues, often in people who never diagnose this and are more loyal. That’s me of course, but you are projecting what you value onto the pets you consider pets, following the culture you likely grew up in.

Given what you have said above you have facets of utilitarianism, because you universalize your values to include all individuals of categories.

UrGod has become obsessed with the word "value’. The negative influence of Fixed Cross. He also has this irrational disdain for analytic, positivistic and utilitarian philosophies.

I think you are slipping around the general point, that a cow does have value to the OP, be it as meat.
It does not follow from estimating a cow as valuable food, that a human who has no personal value, is also valuable as food.

Your preferences for cows over cats are generally due to what a cow does not do, and is not. People who actually have pets prefer the pet because of what it is, and does do. I thus think that you don’t actually mean what you say, wheres the OP clearly does.

I was going to reply, but yeah, that ^

Remember her as someone’s mother.

He distinguished the usual pets from cows as if they represented inherent values, they don’t.

It may have seemed that way, but no, I prefer cows because they are less solipsistic, less manipulative. Cats are users.

Sure. Though they could easily have cows as pets and surely some do.

I meant what I said and I think the OP needed, at the very least, some clarification.

I think the key question his valuing approach is the one I asked about Madagascar. I think it is easy to pretend one is not utilitarian nor a deontologist in abstract discussions of animals - for some anyway - but once you get down to issues like the one I brought up, I doubt he means what he says, though he likely very well does in relation to cows. I don’t think he has really thought it through. Or better put, felt it through.

eating meat is good, more nutritious than fruits and vegetables.
However I’ve decided to take a bit of a break from it, especially red meat.
I ate a lot of meat the last several years, and I think it’s kind of wearing my digestion down.
Still giong to eat some every other night, but smaller portions.

I eat meat also, but this above is a bit like saying push ups are better exercise than swimming.

Gloominary

Fruit and vegetables are actually more nutritious and need to be eaten everyday ~ a few servings of each every day.
Meat, to you, is more delicious. We do need it in our diets but only a few times a week.
A big bowl of fruit and/or vegetables have a lot less calories and no fat as opposed to a small piece of steak. Size is deceiving.