This isn’t about veterans or service men, or military, or those that died in wars, its much more than them, regardless of the that sounding cold, because it is more than them.
I would not jump ship to Canada if I like “Canada’s rules” better. So no not really, my interests are the United States interests. I am patriotic towards the values of liberty, equality, justice, democracy, diversity etc, but I see the United States as more than those values as it does consist of the people we live with, our friends our family and those we pass on the roads, those who compete against jobs with us and so on. As such, I am not confining patriotism to representing even the constitution, what matters is the people and the welfare of the people, not the constitution, not isms, not anything else that is abstract. While the constitution and certain isms do promote the welfare of the people, the bottom line is that the welfare of the people are the true value found within supporting the nation and those isms and freedoms and liberty that have helped build the welfare of the people to it are not bigger than the people itself. Dynamic fluidity is often required in certain instances, as are an ethical concern for liberty, freedom etc. Hopefully that clears it up? The values are not abstract ideas, they are the people who I live with, as such, I am a patriot nonetheless.
You’re jumping to a bizarre conclusion - you have no idea how I honor the military. The flag, the national anthem, is not the military. It is a symbol of something much greater, see previous response.
Then don’t disrespect the police and the military, it’s simple. People who do as the police require have no problems, people who behave don’t get tackled and shot. But that goes for all people to obey the police, but poor and/or uneducated black, whites, and hispanic folks who reach into their pockets or behind their backs when they are told to put their hands up need to face their decision to disobey, unfortunately it costs them their lives. Are hispanics favored over blacks, so blacks are the only ones besides muslims in garb who get ill treatment? The muslims don’t even make a ruckus like the blacks, they do as the police say, and one case after another the police officers were found innocent after the investigations. It’s simple, follow the laws, follow police directions, no major problems. I’m glad that there are police body cameras, that’s exposing more truth than lying words.
Sorry, You read like a collection of right wing bullet points. A half truth isn’t the truth. Body cameras help but the courts have the final say - and it isn’t always justice.
The flag and anthem doesn’t mean the same thing to everyone else, nor will it ever, nor should you pretend or assume that what they are doing is “disrespect towards the flag or anthem” it is a protest towards a certain situation.
You’re misinterpreting intent with your meaning of their act.
No, the flag was a military symbol of our victory and always has been, so was the national anthem which describes our military victory. Patriotism starts with the military and if you have flowery sentiments in your head than you can call it whatever you want, but the flag and anthem have to do with war fought by our military yesterday and today.
The flag is a symbol of more than our victory, it is a symbol of everything the nation is. The national anthem is a symbol too of that. It is more than what you want it to be confined to, for many people. Symbols for you are not the same for everyone else and vice versa, they are all interpreted and conceptualized differently by each individual.
Like I said, it stood and stands for the military and their actions to protect this country. Too bad they have to protect cretins who spit on their efforts.
My point is that when she sees it in terms of an insult to the military, you’re saying it’s not so confined, but at at the same time you view it as a confined protest against racism.
IOW, you seem to be allowing yourself to control the scope of the protest and the symbols and denying her the same sort of control.
You guys have it right. Right wing talking points don’t have to have any logic or factual info behind them. If someone says shit is flower petals, then a train car load of shit is flowers. Pointing out that the smell isn’t exactly perfume won’t change their mind. It’s flowers.
My points are factual. The flag was used by the military during combat to claim our countries sovereignty and the anthem describes the military battle in which the flag was used.
Liberals can say they represent whatever convoluted ideas that they want to tie them too, but they represent our patriots who die in battle.
The simple fact is that it’s impossible to pin down what specifically one is protesting or what specifically one is supporting when kneeling or standing for the anthem. Therefore, it amounts to nothing but pointless bickering. :-"
Yes they do. BUT that is only part of the flag and anthem symbolism. Both represent the American ideals and when those ideals are besmirched by racism, then calling it out is an act of true patriotism. Dissing those who point this out is, shall I coin a phrase?, unpatriotic. It is allowing our precious symbols to represent the antithesis of what they are supposed to stand for.
Colin made the symbol of kneeling during the national anthem. He defined what he meant by his symbol. Nobody else can define what he meant, by what he meant.