On Poor White America Versus Liberal Misunderstandings.

“So you are a proponent for technology putting the worker out of business, since an automated everything would make labor cheaper until obsolete? You don’t see any problem with that end?”

Well, you can’t automate everything, so that is not a concern. But saying i want 50% of something does not imply that I want 100% of it. This is the politics of fear, similar to the idea that if we allow same-sex marriage, we must allow bestial marriages. It’s a burlesque of rational thinking, nit rational thinking itself. The slippery slope argument is not a valid one. Ever.

“By the very nature of their illegal existence in this country, yes, laws have been broken.”

Agreed.

“The criminal illegal for being here illegally first and foremost. They need to be deported…no, there needs to be border security so these other laws of less than minimum wage being violated won’t be an issue. No illegals, no issues of less than minimum wage being paid by companies far and wide that are on the books. There are always going to be unscrupulous people wheeling and dealing off the books, but that becomes an issue for the citizen who is being treated unfairly in his workplace…them laws and them police who serve legal residents and legal visitors.”

Not all illegals are criminals. Unlawful presence is, for instance, not subject to criminal penalties. That happens when people overstay their work visas. Not all wage theft is criminal either, at least in my state. Wage theft is an issue among workers that are not illegal, as well. So you’re not correct to say that eliminating illegals would eliminate that problem. (I’m not sure if you back away from that or not.)

But one way to solve the problem is to make the illegals legal. I’m guessing that this is not what you want. But it means that the criminality of illegal aliens is not the real issue. So let’s say they are all granted amnesty and citizenship. What is your argument against them in that case?

Industries overall only needing to employ one or two people out of every million would make workers obsolete which is still not the 100% you brought up, but a problem for the other 300,000,000+ citizens who need incomes nonetheless.

Are you an absurdist? Do you want 50% of reality to be 100% absurd? Do you believe that your replies are rational, from a person with integrity, who values their country?

Detainment and deportation are criminal penalties paid for by American citizens rather than the illegals. New laws and criminal rehabilitations need to be enacted to curtail illegal immigration to the USA once and for all. Other countries don’t jack around with illegals like our country does to appease unscrupulous cheapskates who thrive off of others’ desperation.

I’ve already covered the rampant aspect of this issue, but of course you were only paying 50% attention.

Off into absurdism you go without shame. Why would any country wish to mistreat their native populations by welcoming millions of unskilled, uneducated, non-English speaking, non-assimilating foreigners into their countries, foreigners who cost their native societies more than they contribute? What you propose is absurd and would further decimate what is left of this country. Why do you hate the United States 50% and hate the principles it was founded on 100%?

Ganja smoking destroys brain cells. :obscene-smokingjoint:

“Industries overall only needing to employ one or two people out of every million would make workers obsolete which is still not the 100% you brought up, but a problem for the other 300,000,000+ citizens who need incomes nonetheless.”

Oh, my…

You just don’t get it, do you?

“Detainment and deportation are criminal penalties paid for by American citizens rather than the illegals. New laws and criminal rehabilitations need to be enacted to curtail illegal immigration to the USA once and for all. Other countries don’t jack around with illegals like our country does to appease unscrupulous cheapskates who thrive off of others’ desperation.”

I guess you don’t read then international press much.

“Off into absurdism you go without shame. Why would any country wish to mistreat their native populations by welcoming millions of unskilled, uneducated, non-English speaking, non-assimilating foreigners into their countries, foreigners who cost their native societies more than they contribute? What you propose is absurd and would further decimate what is left of this country. Why do you hate the United States 50% and hate the principles it was founded on 100%?”

TMFETRT (Too many factual errors to respond to)

Thanks for agreeing with me.

You are asking because you “don’t know”?
You are “curious to know why an educated person, especially a white one, can be chronically poor”?
Have you noticed that we live in the 21st century?
Do you live under a rock or on the dark side of the moon?

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There is no contradiction between being a poor and being a well educated white. Either you (a) are too dumb to know the facts (and correct premises), or you (b) use bogus arguments - rhetorically or not rhetorically (see: a).

You started being biased in 1958, as you’ve stated in your signature. So, apparently, you have never noticed that your society has produced more and more poorness and that especially the universities of your society (and those of other Western societes too) have produced a poor precariat of well educated whites (think for example of all the unemployed becoming hippies, flower people, punks, taxi drivers etc.), an academic precarity.

If you are well educated, you aren’t necessarily prevented against poorness. There are corresponding proverbs in many languages. So this is common sense. You should have known it. But you haven’t.

Common sense is dead.

And if it is vice versa, it’s just the market too. This market would be less free. So what? It would still be a market.

The “Out of Africa” hypothesis again:

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You can’t automate everything, yes, but others can.

:teasing-blah: PC

Not all Fausts are Faustians.

So, you are saying that all allopathic medicine is an error. If you’ve morbid bacteria in your mouth, you won’t go to the dentist in order to get rid of the morbid bacteria.

Common sense will never die.

It died in Faust and all the raving liberals.

That is probably true, isn’t it?

Not probably, but absolutely.

Common sense is much about common sensibilities and it’s true, society is splitting up into factions with different sensibilities.

This split is not so much between classes or income levels, it’s much more along racial lines.
This also fits with the remnants of liberal Whites who stand apart from other Whites while at the same time they are also the ones who have adopted an anti-White sentiment. They are those who have been inoculated the most by it.

As White identity is on the rise, the efforts will be increased to diffuse this identity through bringing up fake class concerns.

The reality is that while the battleground is the White working class today, it’s not exclusive to the working class. It’s just that they are the canary in the coal mine and are the people who now respond to calls of White solidarity because they bear the brunt of the anti-Whiteness, the anti-Gentile-ness of the current elite.

Alf - “There is no contradiction between being a poor and being a well educated white. Either you (a) are too dumb to know the facts (and correct premises), or you (b) use bogus arguments - rhetorically or not rhetorically (see: a).”

I am not claiming there is a contradiction. That’s just the wrong word. Absent mental illness, a physical disability or some behavior that both costs money and prevents the earning of money, it’s unusual for any american who has an education to be truly poor. This is more especially so for white people than for most minorities. Hippies, who are not very common, don’t care about money, so shouldn’t be complaining.

So far, you have offered no clues to my question. Although you are not who I asked.

What’s it all about, Alfie?

Why are you, for example, “curious to know why any educated person, especially a white one, can be chronically poor”? Why do you not know this? If you really know that there isn’t a contradiction between being a poor and being a well educated white, why are you asking all this and saying that you “don’t know, which is why” you are “asking”?

This is America. If you give a shit about money at all, and get off your ass to try and get some, it’s not that hard really.

Most people don’t have the social network to exploit as you have Mr., most don’t live via wheelin’ and dealin". There’s a whole different mentality involved in a lifestyle built around that mindset that most people lack.

What some people lack in initiative, others lack in perseverance, most wing it without an airtight plan and for a few that pans out be it by “right place at the right time” or “you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours,” but let’s face it, most people don’t have anything to really scratch someone else’s back with when they are starting out other than verbal bullshit in the form of promisorial exchanges and platitudes, so it’s not so easy to get anywhere independently without boosts made by others along the way. Making it on their own doesn’t happen for most unless their self-made operation costs virtually nothing, and requires no manpower. And did I mention that the employment opportunities outside the tech industry are a long ways from what they use to be?

Wendy, most americans are not poor. Most americans do have a social network. Most americans don’t work in tech, per se. I spent fifteen or so years working in restaurants. I have had sales jobs that do not require post-secondary education. And there are many other industries that do not require college and will keep a body out of poverty. I have been broke, but I’ve never been poor, despite working in fields that do not require any particular education.

And as I have said, there are plenty of reasons why an american can be poor.

Immigration is not one of those reasons.

I live in an area where textile manufacturing still exists on American soil. There is loads of work for the manufacturers - the one thing they lack is labor. They pay legal wages. They rely on immigrants because no one else will take the work. The immigrant labor pool just isn’t what it used to be. I have been involved in efforts to train new workers for those manufacturers. I have heard wages as high as $18.00/hr which is a living wage here, even if it is not elsewhere. Purchasing power. But native white people simply will not do the work.

By the way, the wages paid in the needle trades here is far more than in Asia and more than in other parts of the U.S. where the needle trades still exist. Which is only a few places. The biggest problem in textile manufacturing is that Americans continually choose to buy foreign goods because they are so much cheaper. I just bought some socks made in Vermont. But it took me a while to find american made wool socks. Most people prefer Chinese polyester. Much cheaper.

I don’t buy these socks because I am a liberal. But I do understand the economics of Vermont-made socks vs China-made socks.

POVERTY almost evrywhere IN THE USA:

MAKE IT GREAT AGAIN?

What USA are you from? People buy Chinese socks because they cannot afford $10+ for a pair of socks. If you are in Vermont, that is a white, affluent, snobby state…so what the hell do you know in your insulated bubble of BS? I know I’m wasting my time discussing common sense stuff for that is not your forte…like the reality that 50% of the folks earn under $35,000 and once the baby boomers (who make more collecting retirement pensions and social security pay than full-time workers now) die the 50% will jump to 80%. Ask yourself, why the poverty level on our tax forms hasn’t risen since the 1990’s or possibly even before then? The poverty level on the tax forms is what $25,000 and it’s been that way for at least 30 years because Congress can’t raise that figure or the government will eliminate a huge portion of their tax revenue. It took 30 years for the minimum wage to double, but the cost of living has risen three times that rate.

My favorite are the people who live off of their credit cards to make ends meet as they fall into poverty. They do not earn enough to cover the rising expenses so they subsidize with the good intentions of paying back those credit cards, but the payback portion never happens.

Your work experiences decades ago don’t count Faust 'cuz times have changed or haven’t you taken the time to honestly notice?

No, they don’t. Most people can count their friends on one hand. Sure, they have friendly acquaintances, visited with a few times in person and chatted up on social media, but them are no strings familiars, not people who open doors for you. Most poor people only know people who have similar circumstances, so entrepreneurs in poor communities are rare. You have to have a social network filled with all kinds of people from all over your country or the world who have connections and financing in various fields that might propel your ambitions forward and most people don’t have that.

No kidding. #-o But that’s where the high paying jobs reside. Most other fields have salary/wage stagnation and its been that way for the last two decades, but the cost of living continues to rise.

What does a “living wage” mean to you? Can a living wage afford to spend $15 for one pair of socks for everyone in their family regularly?

The income total for $18 hourly (40 hrs. wk.X 4 wks. X 12 months) is $34, 560 before taxes, etc. $34, 560 was a decent income in the 1980’s but 30 years later it’s living in poverty.