What Of Your Soul?

Let’s say for argument’s sake, that the soul (IF there is indeed a soul) IS the seat of consciousness.

Let’s say for argument’s sake that there IS a thing such as reincarnation.

If this so-called soul does house our long-term memories, then it is not doing such a great job since we do not remember our past lives when our respective souls are again put into this thing we call a body.
Any investigation into past lives have never been proven and memories can be created and manipulated. Many of us would like nothing more than to have come from particular previous glorious lives.

He is right but perhaps not aware of the whole of mechanism.

Humans (and all other living beings also) are manifold entity instead of a single one. Put simply, there are two entities living together in this body, one outer and one inner. This inner entity is called by many different names like soul etc. Both of these entities have separate mind and bodies. Both of these minds are connected and influence each other. This is how everyone human’s mind gets his/her initial nature, which is the reflection of the mind of the soul. Then, the soul mind learns during this human lifespan through its human counterpart and carries those developments along with it after the death of human body and mind, which is the very purpose of a human life.

But, there is a catch here. As a thumb rule, there is only one way traffic of influence between the two minds, which is from inner to outer one. Inner mind has complete access to the outer mind but there is no such facility available to the outer mind. It cannot know what is stored in its counterpart. Means, soul mind knows all what human minds now but human mind does not know anything is in soul mind.

The memories of all past lives is stored in soul mind, not human mind. Yes, if human mind can somehow access to its counterpart, it also can know about past lives of soul. That may happen accidentally or by effort also but it is also a herculean task. The purpose of this arrangement is to make soul mind learns through the what human mind experiences during every human life. If human mind also knows about what has been happened in the past lives, it would never able to learn in true sense.

with love,
sanjay

Correct. Interestingly, philosophy takes science into account very often, but science takes philosophy into account very seldom.

encode_decode

I hope that they used extra virgin olive for that. Mmmm yummy.
I would like some steamed Chinese vegetables with that please.

A sandbox is used for “Getting to know you…getting to know all about you…” say the children.

The sand is universal and collective.

I am in complete agreement. I’ve said the same things with different word arrangements, but nobody here believes or understands my meanings in the slightest, well until now…you. It is a Hurculean task and possible, but with help to complete the transition. I never was able to transition without help, but I do not know where the help came from? Have you separated your inner mind from your outer mind?

zinnat

Who is he, zinnat?

I am sorry to say that most of this sounds more like Dissociative Identity Disorder to me than anything else, zinnat.

As for the below…

I have also heard of that explanation – I call it more of an excuse THAN actually not remembering.

But if that even could be true - I do not believe in reincarnation/past lives - though there was a time when I had my musings about it -it might just depend on the INDIVIDUAL him/her -self.

Some of us never learn from our past experiences In This Life. We do not take the time to reflect on them, try to learn from them, from our mistakes and their consequences. We simply are not interested in becoming more, learning to know ourselves. We choose not to examine our lives, our journey, to learn.
We are just plain lazy.

Perhaps that perspective in quotes is simply one gained and adapted from observations made in this Life.

Aside from that, I find no reason why remembering/knowing/understanding our past lives (if we had them) would be a stumbling block for more personal human evolution and growth. We would just have to work on it.

Tell me, how would that keep someone from learning. Give me an example.

Some of our lives are tragic and chaotic, we feel shame, disgrace, guilt but we can still learn from that, transcend that, come to understand that some things just do not have answers.
We may, in fact, come from out of past lives, but to me they are still a part of this one singular life.

The way I look at it, the perspective you used - that others believe - is just a way to sweep under the carpet the fact that we just cannot know many things for the most part – they are just too unexplainable – so we say something like that.

Perhaps Rilke’s words come home to roost here…

“Be patient toward all that is unsolved in your heart and try to love the questions themselves, like locked rooms and like books that are now written in a very foreign tongue. Do not now seek the answers, which cannot be given you because you would not be able to live them. And the point is, to live everything. Live the questions now. Perhaps you will then gradually, without noticing it, live along some distant day into the answer.”

I love these so-profound words of his.
Why do we always have to force the answers to fill in the gaps?

Reincarnation cannot be proven either way. But what might be proven to self is WHY we choose to accept something that there is just no evidence for…though we cannot help ourselves at times. It is a part of our default human natures.
Believing things does not necessarily make them So.

with love,
sanjay
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with love,
sanjay

Wandydarling, though i am not sure about i should ues he or she.

You may say so.

We all invariably learn from our experiences. We cannot stop learning even if we want. Yes, we may or may not realize this learning. Laziness does not come in the way of learning in any way. Secondly, the learning is meant for soul(subconscious) mind only, which keeps leaning all the time through circumstances and experiences by default. Thirdly, we all use or rather have to learn different things, not the same.

The actual problem with the remembrance of the past lives is less with past lives but more with what else is stored in the soul(subconscious) mind. Remembrance of the past lives will only create confusions regarding relations. But remember, the soul life is not about only its human incarnations. Besides it, it has its own life which far longer that humans and operates in a different dimension too. If humans become aware of that anyhow, they will never able to learn ever.

Again, you may say so.

Read this link.

iisis.net/index.php?page=sur … s&hl=en_US

There are many such other cases too.

with love,
sanjay

What does to some extent mean? I don’t understand what you are doing. What exactly do you accomplish for a few minutes and what do you witness?

It took me years to figure out what I needed to do to make my projection happen. I wasted a lot of time and effort trying to understand what the right conditions needed to be and the conditions need to be ideal.

I am told that there are different types of separations such as remote viewing versus a complete astral projection. Some folks even consider lucid dreams a form of the soul separating, but I do not. I am able to do a complete separation rather than a remote viewing.

I completely agree but even with the best will in the world it can be hard to achieve. I would like to end my life being absolutely certain of nothing but I do not know if my mind could take it that far. Being human does not exactly help because sometimes I am prone to thinking emotionally rather than logically. Nevertheless I have made some progress in the last seven years since I first started learning which is good but I do not want to become complacent as there is so much more to be done

The soul isn’t physical; the soul is metaphysical. Exclusively.

So you mean something intangible, something that cannot be seen or felt (touched)?
Something which never dies, is eternal? That kind of metaphysical?

I mean the metaphysical type.

Okay. So define that in your own words - not google’s. lol

What is the metaphysical soul to YOU.

I would say that the soul is an unconscious drive. It’s immanent and transcendent.

Arminius,

I may be wrong here but couldn’t you explain most things away with that terminology - a thing in itself, thing as such, like a tree, rainbow, animal, human, ad continuum? What story do those things tell, aside from that?

Imagining the Soul

"Now, against the backdrop of Christou and Jung, let us look at what James Hillman, the founder of the archetypal school, has to say about soul.

. . .[W]e are not dealing with something that can be defined; and therefore soul is really not a concept, but a symbol. Symbols, as we know, are not completely under our control, so that we are not able to use the word in an unambiguous way, even though we take it to refer to that unknown human factor which makes meaning possible, which turns events into experiences, and which is communicated in love. The soul is a deliberately ambiguous concept resisting all definition in the same manner as do all ultimate symbols which provide the root metaphors for the systems of human thought. “Matter” and “nature” and “energy” have ultimately the same ambiguity; so too have “life,” “health”, “justice” and “God,” which provide the symbolic sources for the points of view we have already seen. (Hillman, Suicide and the Soul, 46-47.)

Clearly, there is no contradiction with Christou in this passage. Soul again is not an ontological entity, but a symbol for the place from which meaning grows. The soul is a “root metaphor” here in Hillman’s humanities-influenced language and a “first principle” in Christou’s more philosophical style.

The last point made about soul, that it refers to the imaginative possibility in our nature, is a Pandora’s box. The obvious question that comes to mind, “What are imagination, fantasy, and image?” It is this aspect of Jung’s work that the archetypal school has amplified so vigorously. It seems safe to say that all of Jung’s ideas on fantasy and imagination apply here as well. Hillman says that he follows Jung quite closely with respect to fantasy. As for the relationship between soul and imagination, Edward Casey, in his book, Imagining: A Phenomenological Study, says “imagining is the moving agent of soul, its main motor and primary possibilizer.”

cgjungpage.org/learn/article … es-it-mean

Scientist can’t explain our world, the philosophers and theologians can’t explain it either.

So, all we can do is to describe it and to do it in the most possible way of correctness and conclusiveness, stringency, thus by using logic in connection with our experiences.

Wouldn’t you say that at least the scientists, if not totally, at least in some part, have had great success in explaining the world/the Universe?
They may not be able to explain its Very Origin but still…

How does one go about using logic when it comes to terms like soul?
I also think of the soul as a symbol just as the psyche is. They are akin to each other to some degree.