Death

I spent several years practicing astral projection techniques until I was able to raise my conscious soul from my physical body during an awakened state.

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The essence of a soul…go contribute to that thread of mine, What Of Your Essence?

A little provocation.

Were those simple questions so difficult that only phyllo was able to answer?

with love,
sanjay

Empirical evidence overwhelmingly points to “dead forever”.

Despite the overwhelming empirical evidence Phyllo’s precis is surprising … “I’ll go out on a limb

Sanjay … seems you have exposed a frightful human emotion … humiliation. :slight_smile:

Will you allow me a question?

What stage of body decomposition exists … “since some weeks”?

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Wendy darling wrote:

The question is how much does one comprehend after death? When you die you are at least in limbo or purgatory, isn’t that so?

There are all these places people have concocted, rather than accept that the dead know nothing.

Scripture does not teach about “limbo or purgatory”.

Show me the word limbo in the Scriptures.

Where in the Scriptures is the word purgatory. It is not there is it. These are just man made things.

Ecclesiastes 9:5-6

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For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward,
and even their name is forgotten.
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Their love, their hate
and their jealousy have long since vanished;
never again will they have a part
in anything that happens under the sun.

It could not be any clearer than that, almost like a dictionary definition.

Purgatory and Limbo do not appear in Scripture because they were added on by the Catholic Church very much later on
Purgatory was for sinners who were thought redeemable and Limbo was for babies who died before they were baptised
Limbo has since been discarded presumably because punishing innocents was not seen as something morally justifiable

surreptitious57, thank you, I am aware of it’s pagan origins and practices.

Everything that I command you, you shall be careful to do. You shall not add to it or take from it.
Deuteronomy 12:32

Living souls, never dying souls.

I shall return with my scriptural evidence I am certain. [-o< :evilfun:

with love,
sanjay

Oh??

So now the body is flash-frozen to preserve it??? And subsequently if it is thawed out and the person resurrected? (Assuming one has the technical ability to do this.)

This seems to run up into a logical problem … you could potentially flash-freeze a live person and then ‘revive’ him.

So if you flash-freeze a person at the moment of death, how do you that he is effectively dead? You lost that period of time after death which confirms that the person is really dead. Was that actually “the moment of death” or not? You don’t know.

with love,
sanjay

Secondly phyllo, i am not going to use any such thing/theory in my reasoning which has not be empirically proved yet. I will rely on only such things which are proven scientifically and anyone can confirm it.

with love,
sanjay

I’m not sure why you brought up the idea of keeping the body cold in order to avoid decomposition.

Does this discussion of death depend on preserving the body or not?

The issue of keeping in the cold comes only because pilgrim seeker tom said that the body will start decomposing afetr three days.

As i said above, preserving the body is a not a issue here. The only issue e\relevant here is whether one is declared once dead according to our establish medical/scientific benchmarks or not.

with love,
sanjay

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Sanjay … thanks for addressing my question. Body decomposition is not universal … apparently there are numerous exceptions to the norm … Ste Bernadette comes to mind. I observed her corpse in Nevers France … while some cosmetic work has been acknowledge it remains a wonder/mystery.

Recovery from “Clinical Death” is not new … though the time frame between death and recovery is always only a few minutes. Your story mentions “since several weeks” … an example in a league of it’s own.

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While I can’t say I ‘know’ it is possible … I believe it is possible.

2 Kings 2:11

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The Biblical chatter about Elijah’s return to life on earth are too many to mention.

zinnat

Are you referring to the yogis who claim to be able to stop the heart beating? I recall something about this when I visited India.

Nevertheless, the scientific evidence is slim to none that yogis can voluntarily stop their heart.

No, i am not talking about yogies.

By the way, there is no such yogi who can stop breathing, lose the pulse and heartbeat even for one hour and becomes alive again. If anyone claims so, he is simply lying.

with love,
sanjay

I think i have waited enough for replies. I will present my argument tomorrow.

with love,
sanjay