Living In A Nation Under Donald Trump.

Do you follow economic news from the private sector? Yes, or no?

No. Where’s your proof of anything you purport?

Your proof is talking points from Benedict Arnold’s inner circle, and?

Like I thought you have no proof of any economic news from the private sector or even any proof to the contrary wherein you disagree, just your hot air.

There’s no convincing you, you’ll just have to learn things the hard way like every other Benedict Arnold supporter. You don’t believe me now but eventually you will see.

No evidence…no convincing…simple.

You don’t want to be convinced because you’re too invested in hope which again I believe is misplaced. I’ll say no more as I know that you won’t be convinced otherwise no matter what I say.

Otto, didn’t you already know that he is a Zionest, thus going to always do Israel’s bidding?

Yes, I knew he was a zionist but somehow me and others were thinking to ourselves that just maybe he might put the interests of the country first that he claimed he would do where there was the attitude that we could ignore that he was one. Big mistake obviously.

Steve Bannon is a former Goldman Sachs employee (And another christian zionist unfortunately) and usually that would make me skeptical of somebody really quickly but one of the reasons I liked at least some of what he does is because generally he was taking a tough stance against China in terms of trade and sincerely wanted to initiate some nationalist economic policies that would effectively protect the interests of the American working class.

It’s another case of wanting to overlook some things for the greater cause of securing the nation and such. I’m starting to wonder if overlooking a few things here and there is a mistake.

I don’t know if we’ll regret supporting him like Benedict Arnold or not. Either way he is out of the government administration going back to being a news journalist.

The stock market highs indicate folks are accumulating debt, whether they are borrowing to buy shares outright or borrowing to buy things which boost eps. The stock market isn’t overvalued even though the baby boomers desperately want it to be. The supply of shares is shrinking as companies buy their shares back either with profits or by issuing bonds and central banks take shares off the market (permanently presumably) in an effort to weaken their currencies for the goal of producing inflation in an arbitrary basket of goods.

Trump is a complete idiot and if he had another brain cell, it would die of loneliness. Before the election he called the market a bubble and now he’s taking credit as if he’s accomplished anything at all or created even one job and yet somehow he thinks he has influenced the earnings that underpin the price of shares. He’s taking credit for unemployment declines like someone cutting into a drivethru line and stealing a happymeal.

What Trump has accomplished is threefold: Pissed off liberals who are currently slaving to take away our freedoms, demonstrated wealth has nothing to do with IQ, and increased the depth of the swamp exponentially.

zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-1 … ial-crisis
zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-0 … eres-catch
zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-0 … 34-billion
zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-0 … ying-spree
zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-0 … ppens-next

The banks are printing lots of money, but giving it to the wrong people, which furthers the wealth divide. If the middle class wants money, they have to borrow it from the 1% at interest to supplement their piss-poor salaries. If we add the debt of the middle class to the graph of the wealth divide, it smooths it out a bit. Everything they do is making the situation worse. Conservatives are too dumb to see it and liberals are too crazy to care. It’s like Dunning-Kruger vs Freddy Krueger for a true nightmare on mainstreet. (Wonder if I can copyright that :-k )

Serendipper, we follow the same news website. :wink:

Benedict Arnold is claiming that he’ll shut the government down if he has to over funding to build a wall on the Mexican American border. Now to be fair I am supporter of such an initiative because for decades unchecked migration from Mexico into the United States has spiralled out of control. Still, I think this is all grand standing by Benedict Arnold because there is no way his masters are going to let him shut down the federal government in any matter at all. Moreover there is opposition to build the wall by democrats and neoconservatives alike that I honestly believe Benedict Arnold will cave into their demands. I’ll be surprised if anything at all is built on the southern national border at this point.

Trump has lost almost all of his base that got him elected, and he has also lost the Russian leader who helped him win the election.

Despite not liking Benedict Arnold the Russian hacking narrative is still bullshit. There are certain factions of the American military industrial machine that want to start a world war with Russia and China. This is the epitome of stupidity and something we should never even think about doing. Ironically the democratic party that use to be anti war is now the biggest warmongering party of the nation. The democratic party was silent on war the entire Obama administration.

Anybody with a brain knows that neither party of the two party political system in the United States doesn’t represent the majority. Both parties represent Wallstreet as this is a corporatocracy police state.

:sunglasses:

I have been checking it several times a day since 2010. Rarely a need to go anywhere else. It’s hard to believe 2 or 3 guys churn all that out and I can’t imagine they have any sort of life.

I’ve often said the market will top when zerohedge has no following. Gonna be a while :-"

Trump said NAFTA may need to go, if the current negotiations aren’t successful for America. He has also already done plenty of excellent things so far, including giving voice to the silent majority of naturally more conservative anti-leftist citizens.

You have to remember what immense pressures Trump is under. He is playing a very strategic game with the swamp creatures. If he overplays his hand they will remove him-- literally. He knows this. Thus he is negotiating.

If there is one thing Trump has achieved above all others, it is perhaps elevating the consciousness of so many millions of Americans regarding the fake news statist leftist neocon propaganda that passes for American corporate “news”. There is no going back from this, the propaganda machine cannot recover. Notice their frenzy now, their hysteria and bringing everything totally out in the open now. They don’t give a shit that we know, because Trump exposed them.

Swamp creatures die in the light of day. But before they die they squirm and rage and whither.

I’ll agree that Trump isn’t perfect. But just imagine if The Shillary had won.

Unlike you, I do not want total collapse because I don’t imagine some silly utopian anarchist white nationalist revolution. When the political center collapses you have a crap shoot between if the communists or the Nazis take over, this happened to Germany, it could happen here but I don’t think it will. Americans are far too earthy, raw, “conservative”, pragmatic, and capitalistic to see the political middle collapse like that. Instead you will see more extremist pressure for another year or two, then things will return to a state approximating normalcy as this current moral panic passes, as Styx called it.

Why do you think the swamp is panicking? They know time is against them. Trump is playing chess with them, and he just forced them to sideline their long term strategy to address an immediate and crushing tactical threat Trump created. They may counter that threat but if you know anything about chess, in so doing they wreck their overall strategy.

It so happens that the communist are against gun ownership and I really don’t believe that there are enough nazi’s in the USA to form a front, but nationalists will form a front and they are armed to the teeth. Most folks who own guns own more than one handgun, they own rifles and shotguns as well.

Right, and this is another very good check against anarchy and civil war. The rationale for civilian firearm ownership rights goes deep; self-defense is only one layer, personal responsibility and not being treated by your society like an irresponsible child is another, and then you have the deterrence factor. Granted that the State has military tech and advanced weapons and a standing army, and if either the far leftists or far rightists manage to secure the State for themselves it may indeed come to war when the economy collapses… however, I consider that unlikely for a few reasons.

One, the US is so much larger geographically and in population than Germany is and was pre-WWII. Two, the US has civilian control of the military. Three, most military service people would refuse orders to fire on US civilians. Four, an armed populace is still a good check against abusive government takeovers even when that government has advanced weapons, because it is simply impractical to try and fight against 50 million armed citizens, and the US people (excluding far left cucked babies who are triggered by guns, are cowards and couldn’t fight to save their lives) to a large extent are still earthy and badass enough to value their country, sovereignty and freedom more than a guarantee of absolute personal safety and avoidance of conflict-- if you doubt that, I would remind you to see who the US people just elected to be their president.

Most of the land is still rural, by far. And once the economy falls apart the huge cities will be the hardest hit, whereas rural areas will manage to form communities around farming and defense. Economic hardship will bring Americans together, by and large. Reality tends to assert itself in hard times… you can’t maintain the nice little fantasies (leftism) in the face of a harsh reality principle.

What I was trying to tell you is that there really isn’t much of a nazi far right. The white nationalists…are not properly identified…like what they stand for against the political extremes. I see this as a fight to keep our nation, not about my whiteness per se. The left wants to muddy the waters and make it about race, but it’s about our nationhood which the left wants to decimate. The conservative right wants to preserve our country’s government as it is, without erasing our history or our rights. I truly don’t understand what the white nationalists want at this point. I read Altright Richard Spencer’s manifesto and it didn’t abate my confusion.