In your opinion what’s the difference between the brain and the mind? Your definitions please.
Mind is a function of the brain so it is essentially how the brain operates
A brain can exist without a mind but a mind cannot function without a brain
When the brain dies [ that is permanently dies ] then the mind no longer exists
Consciousness is also a function of the brain and again when the brain dies it also dies
Consciousness cannot exist without a functioning brain as spiritual energy floating around the universe
There is no evidence for this at all which is why I cannot accept it but I know you and Trixie believe this but it is not for me
I am an empiricist and so can only accept something as true where there is actual evidence for it and that is how my mind functions
same here. i would also like to put a one sided board above them to see if they could correctly report what was on the otherside of the board.
thing is, when one brain dies there are other brains for it to go to, thus your conclusion is logically unsound.
i do however support your enthusiasm for more research in proving out of body experiences are real or fake.
I would love nothing more than providing this proof you need, but you might try to explain it away with lucky guessing or coincidence.
science requires repeated experiments, if this is repeated over and over the science is proven. and yes their are lying douchebags out there who make up fake experiments and also douchebags who are paranoid of those douchebags and accuse everything of being fake.
Is science patient? I don’t know. It took me years to astral project one time. Would science wait?
Well if people who astral projected weren’t morons, they would put boards above their heads with a random playing card to see if they can observe the card before they see it.
If people who ran hospitals weren’t morons, they would put boards with secret words above dying patients in order to verify the authenticity of so-called out of body experiences.
Has it actually been proven and verified that a particular person who was brain dead for a particular period of time (I dont know what the official numbers would be) came back to life?
I know that one’s heart can stop for a time and then start beating again but a brain? I don’t know.
Why do you doubt this?
I very clearly stated that science does not yet have the answer to that particular question but over time may
Please stop making evidence free assertions and passing them off as truth statements
listverse.com/2013/07/19/10-peop … -the-dead/ Many of these cases have to do with the person’s body being refrigerated and then regaining consciousness. That in itself is freaky. Does the refrigeration give the body time to adapt to repairing itself by slowing all its processes down?
17 hours in this report telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop … hours.html
Science has all the time in the world Wendy and will be here long after we have gone so is very patient indeed
Long after humankind has gone extinct…only God, angels, and our souls will be left.
I meant when one has actually been pronounced dead, when all brain function has ceased, not just the heart.
I don’t think that we can actually think of God in terms of human attributes or language like conscious or consciousness. You said it yourself - God doesn’t have a brain.
You’re thinking in human terms, Wendy.
Can we have an experience of what we believe to be touched by God? Yes, but can we know God, about God? How can we?
Maybe the criteria for determining permanent brain death is only reliable
for most of the time rather than for all of the time as ideally it should be
Okay, this thread is called belief in an afterlife.
What you just gave, Wendy, is your belief but it isn’t necessarily reality or the way it’s going to turn out.
But we are all entitled to our beliefs.
That’s Clinical Death Wendy. That’s not what I am talking about.
[b]According to wikipedia.org, clinical death is the medical term for cessation of blood circulation and breathing, the two necessary criteria to sustain life. This is what you call cardiopulmonary arrest, a period when a person’s heartbeat and breathing stop but can still be revived if early medical attention is given.
On the other hand, brain/biological death occurs four to six minutes after clinical death. This is due to the fact that the heart is the main pumping machine of the body, and without the blood coming from the heart, the brain will gradually cease to function until it achieves irreversible damage. This is when the doctor will formally or legally declare that the person is dead as the neurological damage to the person is really impossible to reverse.
A person can be clinically dead but can still exist with the help of artificial life support. This is the best time to consider the option of organ donation. Technically, the patient is already dead but the organs are still functioning. Once the life support is taken off, the whole body will start to deteriorate and cease its functions permanently. Brain death, either of the whole brain or the brain stem, is used as a legal indicator of death in many jurisdictions.[/b]
Has anyone returned from Brain Death? That’s the end of the line.
If the brain is not getting oxygen for six minutes, that is brain death. I don’t know how many rounds of CPR the hospitals do or how many times they shock hearts but that would depend on the patients age and odds of recovery. Were my examples not dead enough for you?