I have no problem at all with what you believe Wendy. I just do not share those beliefs as you should know by now. We just have different ways of seeing the world
You have yours and I mine. I fully defend the right of anyone to believe or think whatever they want to long as they do not impact upon the freedom of anyone else to think whatever they want to. Just for the record I do not claim to know anything at all I just think I do. So I could easily be wrong about everything I think is true
Electrical and chemical energy that caused cells to multiply and increase in size
And energy from oestrogen that boosts the immune system of the foetus / baby
You, your consciousness, not your physical biological body.
Again what you mean by the word and what I mean by it are not the same thing at all
Consciousness to me simply means a function of the brain just the same as mind does
Neuro transmitters in the brain passing electrical signals to each other that then becomes a thought or series of thoughts
So entirely biological not spiritual in the sense that you think because I cannot accept anything as true without evidence
Once I start accepting something without any evidence then I have absolutely no idea how true it actually is
And that is why I cannot believe anything you believe but like I said I do not really care what anyone believes
In your opinion what’s the difference between the brain and the mind? Your definitions please.
Mind is a function of the brain so it is essentially how the brain operates
A brain can exist without a mind but a mind cannot function without a brain
When the brain dies [ that is permanently dies ] then the mind no longer exists
Consciousness is also a function of the brain and again when the brain dies it also dies
Consciousness cannot exist without a functioning brain as spiritual energy floating around the universe
There is no evidence for this at all which is why I cannot accept it but I know you and Trixie believe this but it is not for me
I am an empiricist and so can only accept something as true where there is actual evidence for it and that is how my mind functions
Consciousness is also a function of the brain and again when the brain dies it also dies
You never explained how this is possible when I said many return after brain death with their consciousness.Consciousness cannot exist without a functioning brain as spiritual energy floating around the universe
Tell that to God, your creator. Nevermind, He heard you. He knows you very well.
Wendy: surreptitious57:Do you think that I would actually see you leave your body if you started to
astrally project in front of me or would you simply remain within your bodyThis is the only plane / dimension I know of so far where the soul with a meat bag to return to is invisible to a human eye ( but white ghostly forms are not unheard
of those are souls too but I am not sure why they can be seen only after death ) Souls have their own way of seeing when on other planes designed solely for their existence. Like I keep saying souls operate differently than human forms so no you wouldnt see anything not even me looking like I was dreaming ( my eyes would
not do the REM twitching no sounds would escape my mouth no movements other than shallow breathing ) but I would appear serenely asleepSouls without a human bodies may be the only souls visible to the human eyes
I would like to put you inside an MRI scanner while you were astrally projecting then I could see exactly what was happening inside your brain
same here. i would also like to put a one sided board above them to see if they could correctly report what was on the otherside of the board.
Wendy: surreptitious57:Consciousness to me simply means a function of the brain just the same as mind does
In your opinion what is the difference between the brain and the mind Your definitions please
Mind is a function of the brain so it is essentially how the brain operates
A brain can exist without a mind but a mind cannot function without a brain
When the brain dies [ that is permanently dies ] then the mind no longer exists
Consciousness is also a function of the brain and again when the brain dies it also dies
Consciousness cannot exist without a functioning brain as spiritual energy floating around the universe
There is no evidence for this at all which is why I cannot accept it but I know you and Trixie believe this but it is not for me
I am an empiricist and so can only accept something as true where there is actual evidence for it and that is how my mind functions
thing is, when one brain dies there are other brains for it to go to, thus your conclusion is logically unsound.
i do however support your enthusiasm for more research in proving out of body experiences are real or fake.
Wendy: surreptitious57:Do you think that I would actually see you leave your body if you started to
astrally project in front of me or would you simply remain within your bodyThis is the only plane / dimension I know of so far where the soul with a meat bag to return to is invisible to a human eye ( but white ghostly forms are not unheard
of those are souls too but I am not sure why they can be seen only after death ) Souls have their own way of seeing when on other planes designed solely for their existence. Like I keep saying souls operate differently than human forms so no you wouldnt see anything not even me looking like I was dreaming ( my eyes would
not do the REM twitching no sounds would escape my mouth no movements other than shallow breathing ) but I would appear serenely asleepSouls without a human bodies may be the only souls visible to the human eyes
I would like to put you inside an MRI scanner while you were astrally projecting then I could see exactly what was happening inside your brainsame here. i would also like to put a one sided board above them to see if they could correctly report what was on the otherside of the board.
I would love nothing more than providing this proof you need, but you might try to explain it away with lucky guessing or coincidence.
same here. i would also like to put a one sided board above them to see if they could correctly report what was on the otherside of the board.
I would love nothing more than providing this proof you need, but you might try to explain it away with lucky guessing or coincidence.
science requires repeated experiments, if this is repeated over and over the science is proven. and yes their are lying douchebags out there who make up fake experiments and also douchebags who are paranoid of those douchebags and accuse everything of being fake.
Is science patient? I don’t know. It took me years to astral project one time. Would science wait?
Is science patient? I don’t know. It took me years to astral project one time. Would science wait?
Well if people who astral projected weren’t morons, they would put boards above their heads with a random playing card to see if they can observe the card before they see it.
If people who ran hospitals weren’t morons, they would put boards with secret words above dying patients in order to verify the authenticity of so-called out of body experiences.
Consciousness is also a function of the brain and again when the brain dies it also dies
You never explained how this is possible when I said many return after brain death with their consciousness.Consciousness cannot exist without a functioning brain as spiritual energy floating around the universe
Tell that to God, your creator. Nevermind, He heard you. He knows you very well.
Has it actually been proven and verified that a particular person who was brain dead for a particular period of time (I dont know what the official numbers would be) came back to life?
I know that one’s heart can stop for a time and then start beating again but a brain? I don’t know.
Consciousness cannot exist without a functioning brain
Why do you doubt this?
WendyDarling:Consciousness is also a function of the brain and again when the brain dies it also dies
You never explained how this is possible when I said many return after brain death with their consciousness.Consciousness cannot exist without a functioning brain as spiritual energy floating around the universe
Tell that to God, your creator. Nevermind, He heard you. He knows you very well.Has it actually been proven and verified that a particular person who was brain dead for a particular period of time (I dont know what the official numbers would be) came back to life?
I know that one’s heart can stop for a time and then start beating again but a brain? I don’t know.
Yes, the heart has stopped beating, stopped circulating oxygen to the brain for quite long, unreasonably long periods of time. I’ll check to see what’s the longest length of time of death, a brain deprived of oxygen.Consciousness cannot exist without a functioning brain
Why do you doubt this?God doesn’t have a brain and He is conscious, so you are conscious.
Consciousness is also a function of the brain and again when the brain dies it also dies
You never explained how this is possible when I said many return after brain death with their consciousness
I very clearly stated that science does not yet have the answer to that particular question but over time may
Consciousness cannot exist without a functioning brain as spiritual energy floating around the universe
Tell that to God your creator. Nevermind He heard you He knows you very well
Please stop making evidence free assertions and passing them off as truth statements
Eben Alexander was in an "unrecoverable coma"for a week. Relevant because he was a neuro surgeon He concluded after his experience that consciousness was separate from the biological structure,as many of his patients tried to convince him after their experiences under his scalpel.
Clinical death is the medical term for cessation of blood circulation and breathing, the two necessary criteria to sustain human and many other organisms’ lives.[1] It occurs when the heart stops beating in a regular rhythm, a condition called cardiac arrest. The term is also sometimes used in resuscitation research.
At the onset of clinical death, consciousness is lost within several seconds. Measurable brain activity stops within 20 to 40 seconds.[2] Irregular gasping may occur during this early time period, and is sometimes mistaken by rescuers as a sign that CPR is not necessary.[3] During clinical death, all tissues and organs in the body steadily accumulate a type of injury called ischemic injury.~Wiki
listverse.com/2013/07/19/10-peop … -the-dead/ Many of these cases have to do with the person’s body being refrigerated and then regaining consciousness. That in itself is freaky. Does the refrigeration give the body time to adapt to repairing itself by slowing all its processes down?
17 hours in this report telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop … hours.html
Is science patient I dont know. It took me years to astral project one time
Science has all the time in the world Wendy and will be here long after we have gone so is very patient indeed
Long after humankind has gone extinct…only God, angels, and our souls will be left.