I like this but for me it is just coincidence and nothing else. You may have had many more dreams where nothing that happened in them had any bearing on reality
How is it a coincidence that I already recognized the dog and the building?
Possibly, but I need to project again to gather more understanding.
Dogs and houses are everyday things so dreaming about them is not unusual. Also you cannot be absolutely certain that the dog and house were exactly the
same as in the dream since they may have been different than what you imagined. You want the dream to be true so will not worry too much about details
I accept that consciousness exists and also that energy exists but not that consciousness is energy
I had no consciousness before I was born so will have none after I die as this is the only life I have
I therefore cannot accept the idea that it is forever but anyway I do not want to even live forever
You cannot leave your mind but you can reach such an altered state of consciousness that you can think you have
Any experience is by definition subjective so just thinking something has happened does not actually mean it has
When one dreams or trips what is happening is simply a mental construct and
nothing else so when one astrally projects what is happening is just the same
Do you think that I would actually see you leave your body if you started to
astrally project in front of me or would you simply remain within your body
You obviously think this is true but merely asserting something does not make it so. I think what happens to you when you
astrally project is that you experience an altered state of consciousness but your mind or soul do not ever leave your body
This is the only plane/dimension I know of so far where the soul with a meat bag to return to is invisible to a human eye (but white ghostly forms are not unheard of, those are souls too, but I’m not sure why they can be seen only after death). Souls have their own way of seeing when on other planes designed solely for their existence. Like I keep saying souls operate differently than human forms, so no, you wouldn’t see anything, not even me looking like I was dreaming (my eyes wouldn’t do the REM twitching, no sounds would escape my mouth, no movements other than shallow breathing), but I would appear serenely asleep.
Souls without a human bodies may be the only souls visible to the human eyes.
I would like to put you inside an MRI scanner while you were astrally projecting then I could see exactly what was happening inside your brain
The brain is part of the biological human anatomy and not part of the soul’s anatomy, but there might be some kind of noticeable results. The problem with that idea is that no one would know when to start the MRI and it’s too noisy to run non-stop while attempting to project, but there are other medical tests perhaps such as monitoring body temperature, heart rate, sleep REM signals, etc. Plus observance tests the subject could answer on regarding objects placed elsewhere, like what the objects were (and no it wouldn’t be coincidence to get them accurately described)that the subject visited.
I’d really like to make several more attempts to astral, but my psychiatric drugs dampen my energy and my emotions making it impossible now. If I ever find a research team that’s serious about monitoring and testing astral projection, I would temporarily go off my meds to do the experiment successfully.
Wendy wrote:
What religions?
It is definitely not scriptural, in fact it is referred to as Satanic in the scriptures.
Are you aware of this?
I thought you were going to seriously look into astral projection. What did you do, read a few Wiki links?
Where are the Satanic scriptures that refer to astral projection? As far as I can tell, Christians consider voluntary astral projections occult/witchcraft/sorcery…blah, blah, blah. However, involuntary astral projections such as Near Death Experiences are completely acceptable. Christians can sure be idiots sometimes.
Here are a couple scripture passages about out of body experiences that do not read Satanic.
Astral projection is discussed in all major religions, Hindu, Islam, American Indian, Buddhism, Egyptian, Judaism, among others…but you’ll have to do your own homework if you truly wish to learn anything. Even 20,000 year old ancient cave walls depict astral travels in petroglyphs.
That may be so but it does not make it true. What is definitely true however is that the mind can experience higher states of consciousness
And so called astral projection is just one way that occurs. But there is no projection as such happening outside of the mind for what would
be doing the projecting. Anything that is happening is within the mind
I wanted to find out more about ‘religions’ that accept astral projection and this is one I found. Is this accurate according to what you believe?
An unexplained phenomenon may make a good story, but does not give us truth.
I didn’t refer to Wiki and why would I? These sources are merely subjective human accounts or interpretations based on what we can discover with our finite minds. I initially referred to the Scriptures where it warns explicitly against occult practice, or sorcery, in Galatians 5:19-20.
In the King James Version 1 Corinthians Chapter 15, if you read the verses before and after verse 44, (the reference you gave) you will understand that 1 Corinthians Chapter 15 verses 42 to 47 is speaking essentially about the resurrection of the body.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
[i]It is sown a natural body; such a body as all living creatures have by nature. Our carnal nature.
Raised a spiritual body; spiritual, not as to the substance of it, but in respect of the qualities and conditions of it. see Matthew 22:30 which is a cross reference.
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45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Wendy wrote:
If you read all of Ezekiel 8 v 1-4, in all of the visions or prophecies, for example, The book of Revelation, or John’s vision and the prophecies or visions of the Old Testament prophets, including the prophet Ezekiel’s vision all were told that this was a revelation from the Lord, and was directly from the mouth of God.
Ezekiel 8 v 1-4 KJV
1And it came to pass in the sixth year, in the sixth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I sat in mine house, and the elders of Judah sat before me, that the hand of the Lord GOD fell there upon me. 2Then I beheld, and lo a likeness as the appearance of fire: from the appearance of his loins even downward, fire; and from his loins even upward, as the appearance of brightness, as the colour of amber. 3And he put forth the form of an hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven, and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where was the seat of the image of jealousy, which provoketh to jealousy. 4And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel was there, according to the vision that I saw in the plain.
20,000 year old. New Age doctrine?
astral projection which is training your soul to leave your body and travel around
I think it should first be established that the soul actually exists otherwise training it might be a tad superfluous
New Age teaches that we are basically good and inherently divine and ultimately we can create our own reality
We may be basically good but we are not inherently divine and any reality we do create is only within our minds so is not actual reality as such