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gib wrote:WendyDarling wrote:Bad as in evil or bad as in tough?
Probably both. Depends on the girl.WendyDarling wrote:It comes down to values and tastes
It's all subjective rather than categorically objective is that what your liberal mind is going with? Let's not make this political. A better man is not subjective. Oh, yes he is. The best man may be subjective based on personal preferences, but not a better man which would be an acceptable societal average of alike/similar answers of what constitutes a better man, not to be overturned or disregarded by choosing a best man, but better used as a stepping stone to narrow down the best.
^ Not sure what this last part means, but if we're going based on what the average woman wants in a man, and we force men to conform to that standard, you'll not only get a bunch of fakes, but a lot of disappointed women.
There's a LOT of diversity among men and women. Averages don't mean much.
I'm just not sure why we have to go farther than raising men to not be abusers. Shouldn't women have a wide variety of different types of men to choose from? If it's not a matter of a woman's taste, but objective morality in itself, then why are we focused only on men?
Wendy wrote:
The reason I asked you the slaughterhouse question is to see if your conscience kicks in when an animal unnecessarily suffers and ultimately dies
WendyDarling wrote:Can actual guilt be taught or is it just your own conscience making you aware of your ways? Better yet, can you teach someone to have a conscience?
If the former, then conscience would be very difficult to teach seeing as how it would appear to be deeply rooted in genetics.
WendyDarling wrote:If the former, then conscience would be very difficult to teach seeing as how it would appear to be deeply rooted in genetics.
It's rooted way deeper than mere human flesh and blood, it's your essence, the nature and design of your soul which is eternal which brings us to the God's design issue. Who can change God's design other than God? Can a human soul awaken the spark of divinity in himself if it has fallen dormant? Or was the spark of divinity left out, hence no conscience? Boy, I'm talking about a lot of the same soul stuff in multiple threads in different circumstances.
WendyDarling wrote:Possibly.
WendyDarling wrote:I don't believe that God is all love. He created all which includes hate and evil, so he could very well be responsible for those both lacking a spark of divinity and those who have a dormant spark of divinity.
gib wrote:WendyDarling wrote:Possibly.
* shudder *Why do you shudder when below you acknowledge he created all?WendyDarling wrote:I don't believe that God is all love. He created all which includes hate and evil, so he could very well be responsible for those both lacking a spark of divinity and those who have a dormant spark of divinity.
God, to me, is the universe. That means he is everything: good, bad, lightness, dark, love, hate. And also that whatever he creates is a part of him, including heartless psychopaths. Thus, we are all responsible insofar as God is responsible.
WendyDarling wrote:Why do you shudder when below you acknowledge he created all?
WendyDarling wrote:By His creating us we have at least an idea of how we are the same, but how are we separate or different from Him?
WendyDarling wrote:Are we in charge of our souls once "born"? Or are we truly at the mercy of our design?
WendyDarling wrote:Is there any help or hope outside of God's interference?
Because a creator God can still be evil.
God is so much more than us.
We're limited by the design.
I'm afraid that's a big unknown in my mind, but if it's anything like Samsara--that is, the perpetual cycle of the soul in and out of life--then enlightenment is the only way out from what I've heard.
WendyDarling wrote:Because a creator God can still be evil.
Why do you think that is necessarily true?
WendyDarling wrote:I ask because I keep questioning the scope of what God may be or is? Can you create something that is extraneous from yourself without knowing it ramifications? This is of course yes, but it is also a responsibility that I would like to see tightened up so inventors harbor more responsibility in their work.
WendyDarling wrote:God is so much more than us.
Is more always better?
WendyDarling wrote:We're limited by the design.
What makes me laugh about this is that we don't even understand our design. Souls do not recognize their souls or what that design means...at all. When you say "our" design, what do you mean? You mean the life we make for ourselves, or God's design for the universe? Sure, flesh and blood they recognize for that takes no work to see it, touch it, smell it, hear it, no work to experience it at all...so I say the meat sack is a mere distraction on one minor leg of our journey through what appears (to me) to be eternity. I mean, on the other planes, there is no noticeable change, no objects to reference time, so those places seem eternal.
WendyDarling wrote:How do you enlighten a defective design? How do you teach someone to have a conscience?
gib wrote:WendyDarling wrote:Because a creator God can still be evil.
Why do you think that is necessarily true?
I don't think God is necessarily evil, but when you mention that God is not necessarily all loving or good, the thought occurs to me and makes me *shudder*. God having a temper could very well be. The Old Testament may portray one side of God, his unhappy side.WendyDarling wrote:I ask because I keep questioning the scope of what God may be or is? Can you create something that is extraneous from yourself without knowing it ramifications? This is of course yes, but it is also a responsibility that I would like to see tightened up so inventors harbor more responsibility in their work.
Responsibility for things like war, pollution, health, things like that? Yes. Are we still talking about a pantheist God? Aren't we sorting that out in whether we have autonomy from His influence or not?If we are, then none of God's creations are really extraneous to himself.WendyDarling wrote:God is so much more than us.
Is more always better?
Nope.WendyDarling wrote:We're limited by the design.
What makes me laugh about this is that we don't even understand our design. Souls do not recognize their souls or what that design means...at all. When you say "our" design, what do you mean? Human bodies distract human perceptions from realizing their soul bodies. What's important about us is not what occurs in this lifetime of replays or other lifetimes of replays, what we actually consist of beyond our flesh and bones is what's important, what's eternal,
what's our reason for living, for being conscious.You mean the life we make for ourselves, or God's design for the universe? It's time for our consciousnesses to venture beyond this Earth dimension before our flesh bodies die to see for ourselves what's what. Sure, flesh and blood they recognize for that takes no work to see it, touch it, smell it, hear it, no work to experience it at all...so I say the meat sack is a mere distraction on one minor leg of our journey through what appears (to me) to be eternity. I mean, on the other planes, there is no noticeable change, no objects to reference time, so those places seem eternal.
Have you been to these other planes? Yes, three, but there are more, at least nine that I've counted so far,
but I didn't get to spend any time in the others, just passed through them super fast.WendyDarling wrote:How do you enlighten a defective design? How do you teach someone to have a conscience?
Idunno. Google seems to think it has all the answers:
How does one become enlightened?
I've sometimes wondered if we even get to choose enlightenment or if enlightenment chooses us. As the story of Siddhartha, the Buddha before he became enlightened, would have it, enlightenment befell him as he was meditating under a tree. Though it is said he acquired enlightenment through contemplating on life's deepest truths, the description of his awakening sounds spontaneous and unexpected, like it hit him out of nowhere. I've been contemplating deep life truths all my life and I haven't become enlightened yet. I wonder if it's possible that enlightenment is a force that chooses special people for some purpose, and you never know when it's gonna jump out of the bushes and hit you.This happens, but does it happen when you are ready or God is ready?
Then again, I've also wondered if enlightenment is just Maslow's stage of self-actualization--a perfectly normal, though rare, psychological phenomenon; self-actualization is described as the state one enters into when all of one's needs and desires are fulfilled--one has a secure source of income, one has a home, one is connected with close friends and loved ones, one is confident and has a healthy self-esteem--all these things culminate in self-actualization, and I think that sometimes this comes across to others as an "awakening"--suddenly appearing to be spiritually alive--and yes, often this is followed by incredible acts of kindness and giving. When one feels one has all his or her needs met and feels loved and supported by those around one's self, one often feels the impulse to give some of that wealth back to others, to stop focusing on one's self for the sake of putting one's self together and start focusing on others and one's community. <-- There's where the impulse to do good might come from: allow others to heal themselves first, and then they will be in a position to do good in a selfless way.Only when life goes completely our way are we capable of generosity without fear? Is that what you've described as self-actualization?
WendyDarling wrote:Aren't we sorting that out in whether we have autonomy from His influence or not?
WendyDarling wrote:Human bodies distract human perceptions from realizing their soul bodies. What's important about us is not what occurs in this lifetime of replays or other lifetimes of replays, what we actually consist of beyond our flesh and bones is what's important, what's eternal,
WendyDarling wrote:what's our reason for living, for being conscious.... It's time for our consciousnesses to venture beyond this Earth dimension before our flesh bodies die to see for ourselves what's what.
WendyDarling wrote:Yes, three, but there are more, at least nine that I've counted so far,
but I didn't get to spend any time in the others, just passed through them super fast.
WendyDarling wrote:This happens, but does it happen when you are ready or God is ready?
WendyDarling wrote:Only when life goes completely our way are we capable of generosity without fear? Is that what you've described as self-actualization?
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