Fixed Cross
Hi Jakob,
Yet, don’t you think that for the most part, what we are arguing about in here is just our own opinion, perspective, subjective thinking ~~ based on what we as individuals see ~~ except for what we know, what has been proven to be fact.
Jakob, is there a difference between affectionate teasing and trolling?
An enquiring mind would like to know. I did not see that as trolling.
I think that that may be an individual thing. As for your so-called weakened, urbanized people, do you really believe that many of them have a belief in God, considering what their lives are? Some yes but many no. Some may believe without caring either way. But that’s just my subjective thinking.
Okay, there is always another side to the coin Jakob. I have known and know some people (and I am sure that there are many) for whom their belief in God allow them to be strong and to move forward…as you say ~~ to be fit. They believe that God has given them a purpose. They believe that this God, their God, will not fail them. That kind of faith gives them the strength to go on, no matter how afraid they are, no matter what it is that is going on their lives. Pain, loss, disease. They have the will to go on because of what they believe.
So I will grant you that it does make for more courageous living.
But, what is the bottom line here?
Aren’t/weren’t myths created to explain the unexplainable, the unknowable? That’s not to say that there is not great beauty and meaning within myths and truths. I don’t like to throw the gorgeous baby out with the dirty bath water.
As for the rest, I’m not sure that i understand what you’re saying here. But then, I’m not such a logical person, as you well know.
But if I am understanding you, can we actually know this? There would be both the coward ~~ and the dreamer, the creator, the seeker after truth, the builder, ad continuum…
But show me the logic please.
Thank you for respecting my opinion. I think that when it comes right down it, that is an important part of discussion; that is unless the opinion is really off the wall.
Then what do we do in a case like that? I’m really asking for your opinion.
What is it again which you have proven by logic? How people become more fit and live more courageously for their belief in God and the afterlife?
If that is the case, I don’t think that this has been proven so much by logic, Jakob, but perhaps I am wrong here. Maybe I wouldn’t know logic if it hit me in the face lol but I will say that the proof is in the pudding.
But I would also say that faith and belief can stand on very unstable ground.
I’m a skeptic.
But would I wish for a collapse of people’s religious beliefs and faith?
No, not if it would cause them great harm and anguish…unless it would cause the same for others. I’ve already gone through the anguish part of it and so I know how valuable it can be to others.
We all need something that we can reasonably believe in.
Sometimes I think it would be better for me to stay out of all religion threads. I want to be a kind agnostic but sometimes I can see it not happening that way. I flare up inside. lol
Just because I am not capable of seeing something, and have my own opinion of things which I see in a certain way as not being in a certain way , and even to say in a certain way, do I have even have a right to express my opinion when it comes to certain particular ways of thinking?
I have an ego but do I have a right to topple over another’s canoe? I grapple with that thought.