Or else what? God will ruin my life? As if my life doesn’t already suck?
And you’re telling me kissing feet is not sexual at all? The Americanized word love implies the totality of all 6 different Greek words of Love. This includes sexual and romantic love. If heaven doesn’t have sex in it, I’d don’t want to go.
The Bible says God commanded the Jews to slaughter the philistines and gentiles. What do you think of that? God is more evil than Hitler because God both genocided and created Hell, Hitler genocided, but didn’t even create Hell.
Now you keep talking about this Truth thing. Truth is what is. Like, what is apparent to your waking, non-fantasy consciousness. God doesn’t seem to exist, according to my waking consciousness.
Yet, don’t you think that for the most part, what we are arguing about in here is just our own opinion, perspective, subjective thinking ~~ based on what we as individuals see ~~ except for what we know, what has been proven to be fact.
Jakob, is there a difference between affectionate teasing and trolling?
An enquiring mind would like to know. I did not see that as trolling.
I think that that may be an individual thing. As for your so-called weakened, urbanized people, do you really believe that many of them have a belief in God, considering what their lives are? Some yes but many no. Some may believe without caring either way. But that’s just my subjective thinking.
Okay, there is always another side to the coin Jakob. I have known and know some people (and I am sure that there are many) for whom their belief in God allow them to be strong and to move forward…as you say ~~ to be fit. They believe that God has given them a purpose. They believe that this God, their God, will not fail them. That kind of faith gives them the strength to go on, no matter how afraid they are, no matter what it is that is going on their lives. Pain, loss, disease. They have the will to go on because of what they believe.
So I will grant you that it does make for more courageous living.
But, what is the bottom line here?
Aren’t/weren’t myths created to explain the unexplainable, the unknowable? That’s not to say that there is not great beauty and meaning within myths and truths. I don’t like to throw the gorgeous baby out with the dirty bath water.
As for the rest, I’m not sure that i understand what you’re saying here. But then, I’m not such a logical person, as you well know.
But if I am understanding you, can we actually know this? There would be both the coward ~~ and the dreamer, the creator, the seeker after truth, the builder, ad continuum…
But show me the logic please.
Thank you for respecting my opinion. I think that when it comes right down it, that is an important part of discussion; that is unless the opinion is really off the wall.
Then what do we do in a case like that? I’m really asking for your opinion.
What is it again which you have proven by logic? How people become more fit and live more courageously for their belief in God and the afterlife?
If that is the case, I don’t think that this has been proven so much by logic, Jakob, but perhaps I am wrong here. Maybe I wouldn’t know logic if it hit me in the face lol but I will say that the proof is in the pudding.
But I would also say that faith and belief can stand on very unstable ground.
I’m a skeptic.
But would I wish for a collapse of people’s religious beliefs and faith?
No, not if it would cause them great harm and anguish…unless it would cause the same for others. I’ve already gone through the anguish part of it and so I know how valuable it can be to others.
We all need something that we can reasonably believe in.
Sometimes I think it would be better for me to stay out of all religion threads. I want to be a kind agnostic but sometimes I can see it not happening that way. I flare up inside. lol
Just because I am not capable of seeing something, and have my own opinion of things which I see in a certain way as not being in a certain way , and even to say in a certain way, do I have even have a right to express my opinion when it comes to certain particular ways of thinking?
I have an ego but do I have a right to topple over another’s canoe? I grapple with that thought.
Like going against nature, negating this life. But I’m thinking of the Christian afterlife which is absolute and which completely blunders what “eternity” is.
From WTP
“The places of origin of the notion of “another world”: the philosopher, who invents a world of reason, where reason and the logical functions are adequate: this is the origin of the “true” world; the religious man, who invents a “divine world”: this is the origin of the “denaturalized, anti- natural” world; the moral man, who invents a “free world”: this is the origin of the “good, perfect, just, holy” world. What the three places of origin have in common: the psycho-logical blunder, the physiological confusions. By what attributes is the “other world,” as it actually appears in history, distinguished? By the stigmata of philosophical, religious, moral prejudice. The “other world,” as illumined by these facts, as a synonym for nonbeing, nonliving, not wanting to live-- General insight: it is the instinct of life-weariness, and not that of life, which has created the “other world.” Consequence: philosophy, religion, and morality are symptoms of decadence.”
Belief in afterlife means that you cannot accept reality i.e. that once you die you lose everything.
Once you start believing in afterlife then dying becomes easy because the consequences of death are then perceived to be positive.
It’s much more difficult to kill yourself when you know that by killing yourself you lose everything.
You lose your body and whatever your body supports.
It is true that you do not lose everything in the literal sense of the word.
For example, you can die but your children can continue to live.
Many philosophers died childless but their work continued to live.
All of these are earthly.
No need for heaven.
The body supports the Earth experience, not all experience. You have no choice about your life being eternal, beyond Earthly and there are other dimensions/planes of existence, some more positive than others.
If your soul is ill, your human life will suffer it. Can a soul be fixed on its own? I say that your soul, your nature, is unchangeable…eternal. Human behavior can be changed, but does enacting rehabilitation on yourself actually change the fabric of who you are and how you think, feel, and react?
The soul body resides inside of the human body. By harming your human body or other bodies, you are acting out the illness residing in your soul, thus insanity.
You said the soul is ill, illness implies a condition different from the original state, also implies that souls can get ill, which directly contradicts your statement that souls are unchangeable.
Unless you mean that some souls are eternally ill, unfortunate souls which are damned and helled for no reason, just born damned.
