I don’t completely understand what you are saying here. I am guessing that Best Rules are dependent on Rational Thought. But then it true in reverse too, that rational thought would be dependent on best rules.
I have no singular goal. I have a few goals.
…explains a lot.
But I already knew that.
James
What is your goal?
How can you be sure that nothing else will ever exceed that foundation?
The goals are not specified - they could be anything.
Here you are speaking in a way that suggests one goal at a time. True?
James
It is highly probable that it does explain a lot given my posting habits. That you already knew that comes as no surprise to me.
Not to mention the amount of stuff I do away from this forum. Being 42 years old - I am still working too.
In October last year I set out to achieve several things and I am determined to finish those things - the more I have to do by myself the longer it will take.
I wont give up on anything that I have started.
The less clear things are to me - the longer it will take me to understand these things.
My ultimate goal is a clear truth in life - that could take some time to achieve.
Rational thought requires a highest priority goal. That is “The Goal”. All other goals are merely subservient to that one, “The One”.
And yes, MIJOT is my highest priority goal (who would have guessed).
Concerning that one issue, I am not 100% certain merely because I haven’t thought it through to ensure it. But then I have never run across anything that seems to challenge it in any way. So I remain “quite certain”, not “absolutely certain”. Rationality requires working within one’s limits. I don’t see that I need any more, but if it comes, so be it.
And although you don’t appear to know it, MIJOT is actually your highest priority goal as well. Unfortunately, obfuscation and extortion is Man’s current means to manage the masses. That leaves most people a bit helpless to find their highest priority, blinded by the light, clouds, and fear.
To determine the best ethics, one must consider what the highest priority of each and all of the people is, right (that “do unto others” sort of thing)? If you don’t even know what your own highest priority is, how could you possibly determine social ethics?
To know ethics, one must know what affects people.
James
It may be that I am making an obvious move here . . .
I am curious to know why you wrote: And although you don’t appear to know it, MIJOT is actually your highest priority goal as well.
I welcome your honesty in public about this . . .
My highest priority goal is different to my highest priority however. I consider my highest priority to be my family’s survival.
What is the difference?
That is two questions. I said that you do not appear to know it because when I asked you, you couldn’t answer.
James
I stated once before - language has become quite the chasm; this is one of the few reasons I avoid this thread for longer than I would like to.
With a bit of “luck” I may be able to shed some light on the situation from my corner of the globe . . .
I agree. Fear seems to be what stops people finding their highest priority for certain. But I sense there is more to it than this - more to it than the clouds and the light too. I sense anger specifically. Why is it that I sense that? The answer comes down to specifically the wording you are using: obfuscation and extortion is Man’s current means to manage the masses. It really drives a point home - so to speak. I believe people are angry too.
Do we have solid proof of this in either case?
► I do not believe so because it is difficult to trust nearly every source of information that is not able to be verified.
► We are left with assumptions in many cases . . . because . . . most sources of information are unable to be verified properly.
► We are left with ballyhoo and hysteria - which in turn also affects are other regular items of life - like conversations.
That makes perfect sense if I read it outside the rest of the conversation we are having. If I read it with the rest of the conversation we are having in mind I come to the following: so are you saying because you have MIJOT you know or because I did not give you an answer straight away I don’t/didn’t or both? Hopefully a little further into this post I am able to demonstrate this in a way that is clear to you.
I kind of see what you mean here - I know a lot of things that affect people but I am not certain if they would be specifically the things you are talking about.
It appears to be a statement of curiosity to me - a declarative sentence - can you please tell me how it appears to be two questions to you?
Perhaps because I added the following:
In which case it was possibly left open and in an ambiguous state wasn’t it? After all I may have been referring to the following:
Perhaps I was even referring to the whole conversation or perhaps it appeared to be two questions to you for some other reason that I am missing entirely - in which case the best thing for me to do is read back over this conversation from the start of this conversation after I finish this post - and the kindest thing you could do is elaborate if you know what I am missing in this instance - it should become more obvious to either of us who the other answers first - in other words I am willing to make an addendum if I find it(that which I might be overlooking) first.
I have made concessions for the cultural and language usage differences because it is quite obvious to me that we are from different backgrounds/countries.
To get somewhere however I feel it is necessary for us to be providing some meta-information on our individual contexts.
encode_decode wrote:
I thought about this for awhile and I am tending to agree with James here, encode_decode.
You made the statement that your highest priority is your family’s survival.
That can also be taken to mean that your ongoing highest priority goal is you family’s survival.
One’s highest priority would necessarily be one’s highest goal. I think that the goal is understood in highest priority.
But, what you would appear to be saying, at least to me, is that at some point your family’s survival would might cease to be your highest priority.
There are such fine nuances within the English language that we don’t even realize at times what it is we are actually saying.
I have no doubt though that your family’s survival is your highest priority at whatever moments in time.
I hope that I have no muddied the waters here.
I really don’t understand where I am going wrong - everything is working fine in my location.
No, you have not muddied the waters.
James
I have thought about this further . . .
So “best rules” are variable?
Why does rational thought require a highest priority goal? You are saying that a person can not think logically if they do not have a goal.
encode_decode
I know that ultimate here is an adjective for you but what definition mostly speaks to what you are pointing to?
adjective
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last; furthest or farthest; ending a process or series:
the ultimate point in a journey; the ultimate style in hats. -
maximum; decisive; conclusive:
the ultimate authority; the ultimate weapon. -
highest; not subsidiary:
ultimate goal in life. -
basic; fundamental; representing a limit beyond which further progress, as in investigation or analysis, is impossible:
the ultimate particle; ultimate principles. -
final; total:
the ultimate consequences; the ultimate cost of a project. -
not to be improved upon or surpassed; greatest; unsurpassed:
the ultimate vacation spot; the ultimate stupidity.
noun
7. the final point; final result.
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a fundamental fact or principle.
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the best, greatest, or most extreme of its kind.
By a clear truth, do you mean only one?
I am not saying that one necessarily cannot as I do not know but is it actually possible to achieve a clear truth in life as a goal?
When it comes to truth, aren’t many more or less simply opinion, even though perhaps informed opinions?
Does truth as you have it include proven fact? I think, but do not know, that you may be referring to truth as more metaphysical.
Can there ever really be a clear truth in life since truth can change, our perspectives or subjective truths, can change, scientific knowledge can change (yes or no?
You are bringing out the big guns - did you take a proton pill?
Truth does not change. It is an absolute, like one’s gender (XX or XY chromosomes).
Maybe the only thing we can say with certainty is that we exist.