What a bullshit thread.
Some Guy in History
With two responses up to this point that contain the word bullshit.
Some Guy in History
Perhaps you would like to explain why it is a bullshit thread.
Why bother?
Some Guy in History
How would I know? This is a very meaningful conversation we are having here.
I bet you’re constantly amused by your own wittiness.
Some Guy in History
Not constantly, only occasionally.
I’m your mirror.
Don’t get lost.
Some Guy in History
I do believe you are my mirror. I wont get lost.
And then the mirror shatters
broken glass and broken dreams
lacerations to your skin
blood flowing from deep within
dark and crimson
laugh and the world laughs with you
cry and the world laughs at you
The end is here and the world has had the last laugh
at your expense as they blast
every bit of you that you could have
believed to be worthy of long-term existence
Some Guy in History
Quite beautiful in an antithetical kind of way . . .
There is no such thing as antithetical. No such thing as extreme and direct opposites. No such thing as opposites.
Some Guy in History
I do like the piece of writing.
Now I am interested in your apparent deeper knowledge of one.
For the new to be built, we must first deconstruct the old. To build directly on top would not create a very firm foundation. To deconstruct the old, this has to be done while it all still stands and leave the old still intact to some degree to prepare the building of the new, which is the rebuilding of all the new that has come while the oldest still stands and to bring the old into the new and make it new again while making new seem older than it is to jumpstart our own travels forward again as a species. In this, there is meaning. In this, there is even the personal meanings of rebuilding contact, rebuilding communities, rebuilding friendships; and the forging of new. This is the meaning of crafting for ourselves a new lease on life. Where does meaning come from? All around and often through whatever source we will listen to.
That is because the gap between words and worlds will always be either large or small.
Some words describe the world around us with precision. Why? Because we invented the words to describe with precision that which our senses and conscious minds seem able to agree on.
The common example is “bachelor”. It is a word that denotes what it is “out in the world”: “a man who is not and has never been married.”
Same with the word “married”. You either are or you are not. But suppose the discussion shifts to a debate regarding the merits of either being or not being a bachelor.
Is there an argument [a clump of words] able to resolve it such that all rational men and women “out in the world” are obligated to share it?
Instead, the conflicts always revolve around our is/ought reactions to the either/or world.
Human beings are conditioned [in some respects indoctrinated] to intertwine “I” and “we” and all that is deemed to be “other”, out in a particular world. Historically, culturally, experientially.
So the crucial part here is the extent to which what we construe words to mean in any particular context is able to be demonstrated to others as the meaning which they must share in turn. If they wish to be thought of as rational/reasonable.
Meaning is the golden naïveté. It is something you build with metaphor, with your feet in the clouds. Meaning’s yield is emotion, which is a song a lute makes when the blind wind blows through. Meaning is a dream; a conversation you have with the universe that only you can hear, in that massless phantom zone where complete solitude and ultimate connection compete for your soul. In a Godless Universe; Meaning is God.
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Contemplation . . .
The golden naïveté; I really like that. Thank you - this gives rise to much thought . . .
I have great affinity with this - whilst I believe that meaning comes in the form of logic as well.
Totally . . . Is it reality that our conscious mind is agreeing on?
I would also add emotional to this list with rational/reasonable.
I am loving the contrast on display . . . much to ponder . . . Meaning then as an expression to yield emotion and sagacious resolve.
As do I, but I think of it more as balance, not logic.
Each string of the lute vibrates on a certain frequency, a certain pitch, with certain intervals.
So even though the blind wind plays on the strings of perception, the natural set of the strings
is a Pythagorean equation. The logic is embedded in the structure.
Such that when the wind blows, the notes often harmonize.
But we also know that we can find meaning in atonal music.
This is the true essence of golden naivete.
When you are able to construct meaning without the need for external coherence.
When you are willing and able to build – and live – in worlds built from microtones.
Points of interest . . . points of expansion . . .
Whilst I believe that meaning comes in the form of logic as well, I still find emotion at times more expressive of meaning.
I am inclined to agree with a concept of balance - I have found that the expression of emotion can be rational too . . .
Nearly meditative meaning . . . an expansion of meaning . . . I have found a similar thing with poetry . . .
As you say in another way: When you are able to construct meaning without the need for external coherence.
[size=85]I am still in contemplation on what else you have written . . .[/size]
We often have a pseudo-reality that our conscious mind seems able to agree on. This could add to the explanation of the occurrence of paradoxes . . . I doubt that is what either of you are saying entirely though. I still think the scale of the gap is where imagination comes in . . .
. . . being able to construct new meaning next to reality . . . being able to make the imagining real . . .
In this there is a great amount of meaning . . . Id est there is meaning in everything and its contrasts . . .
. . . I like the way you have written it . . . rather Socratic . . . new lease on life . . .
Old meaning meets the new to create synergy . . . and greater meaning . . . and like you stated - where does meaning come from? All around and often through whatever source we will listen to; to me could also include finding meaning in music, culture, poetry, society, science and philosophy as well as more . . .