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Truth will triumph either way, it is just a matter of how far the attempt to circumvent it is stretched, and thus how much will be destroyed in the path towards it.

Truth is local.
Any attempts to organize the world as a whole are insane - there is no “the world”, except indeed as a monster of energy.

There are realms.

The US is a portal-realm, a beginner-stage, but it is an advanced realm, an endgame as well. It is not much in between.

As a superior nation isolated on its own continent, the US can reign for thousands, and determine nature for millions of years. It is the first global hegemon, and if it plays its cards right (which means to stop bluffing (acting superior to ones position) against weaker enemies, who grow stronger and stronger, but simply “call it” before they catch up), then the world belongs to the US simply by its superior human self-valuing stronghold. Trump is the archetypical American. Americans are known to be blunt, bold, sexual, unapologetic, straightforward and effective. They are also known to be weak minded, cruel, self-ignorant, sanctimonious, backwards about the rest of the world, hypocritical and inhuman. All nations have strengths and weaknesses. Russia has been looking more human than the US for a decade now - electing Clinton will tilt the scales for good, as the US will have lost its bluff, shown a much weaker hand than we all figured it to have.

Electing Trump is simply cutting your losses. They’re big, but not bigger than your gains. Clinton would be turning all gains finally into loss - initiating the stage of global, fully unaccountable “Capital” (deadly force - lets drop the deeply receded semantic euphemism) - and thus, anarchy, and rise of totalitarian nations, predominantly China, which will not hesitate to start killing all muslims, taking some Pakistani missiles for granted, I reckon.

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:55 pm
The US and France created its current form, and the British empire protected Islam for the longest time, but the Chinese and Indians perceive them as vermin. In China, a muslim uprising is shot down to the last man. No beheadings, you dont torture vermin. (these views arent my own)

Our culture has set off a lot of shit in Asia, and China aint taking kindly. If you look at what they are capable of doing to themselves, then really, just imagine what they would do if the west didnt stand in the way, to purify their continent of Abrahamistic and Alexandrine perversions of the true state of Being as they figured it out under the Yellow Emperor. The Russians will be all too glad to help them, as will the Indians.

This is fact: Chinese engineers and politicans speak of their project as ‘ah, around in a thousand years, this will begin to produce its intended rendement.’

A Somali generals son who lived in a house we shared with the Zen painters zon, who taught me a part of what I know about Islam and related cultures, told me this prophecy: when the men with the narrow eyes in the east will grow stronger, the end of times is upon us.

I naturally approach this within the framework of the ontological status of perspective alone; the end of times for a certain Realm.

We best not stand in the way of that end too much, unless we want to be reincarnated muslim girls… kek. But really, if valuing coherence could perpetuate in spin configurations alone, I could see it work quite like that. Value-consequence, ‘karma’, is pretty obvious always, if all systems are dropped - the greatest art to me is to think directly, to See True Relation.

What this requires is the absolute absence of neutrality - it requires a veritable self, to be valued into being. Which, since it is a fiction, I had to construct - and I am among fellow marblesmiths. We need a Pericles now with Athenian sophists around him but a Trump with a staffer who occasionally does a clever search online will do.

Trump is preferable even for this reason alone: he will listen to us, if it happens to be opportune for him. All true leaders look directly to the ground. If I look at his daughters pure adoring and at the same time perfectly reality-grounded loyalty, I see a leader of some capacity.

And from the get-go it was ridiculous of the US media establishment to ridicule Trump for his a reality tv program - at least he ran his own show! You need a president like that, who runs the show he’s in charge of. Not one who just turns grey as the machine reaps his years in human blood.

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:25 pm
I continued posting in another thread -
beforethelight.forumotion.com/t732-marx

To clarify this

" the end of times for a certain Realm.

We best not stand in the way of that end too much"

I continued:

"Genocide of muslims is not implied here- just the fact that Socialism would long have absorbed Islam if it hadnt been for the West.

Parallel to my absolute rejection of Marxism as a valid enterprise-related theory, I have seen it also as the empirical resolution to Islam. Afghanistan is the example, a perfect hippy state until Mr Brzezinski decided to use it to kill the USSR."

and further

"All Russian leaders after Stalin have expressed themselves well about the American people. All they tried to defeat was the banking system. N one ever came closer to defeat Russia than Gorbachev, who of course was just a shadow of Stalin, a conscience. But the bizarre magic of the old land produced Yeltsin as an absolutely irreducible “Always Close Russian” -

this “Always Close Russian” is required on our Eurasian continent. It is the depth that is deep enough to be unfathomable, therefore fearsome to nations like India and China, which dont much give a shit about nukes, much more about the actual proximity of a magical adversary.

Magic just refers to the capacity to do what the other cant, by mechanisms that the other cant see.

The US media’s magical mechanism is just pure low-ness; because people are in general decent and quite honest, it is literally impossible for the large majority to imagine the degree of deceit that defines their media - no man ever fully believed a newspaper at face value, but hardly any man would have suspected a paper like the New York Times to be entirely used to spread perfect lies for perfectly vile political ends.

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:14 pm
Constitutional Law
Mathematics
Semantic Structure
Game Theory (entities aren’t ontically closed off from each other, as more of them take part, identification dynamics change underneath the frozen episteme)
Subatomic Coherency (replacing Quantum Physics and String Theory)
Macro-Probabilistic Mapping (combining Relativity with Quantum Mechanics)
“Sciences of Sanity” (integrating all western psychological theory, before exploring the East from a solid Occidental vantage point )
Supranational Politics (value ontology of nations and peoples; a lot of the Earths poor or unfortunately mineral-rich regions are still entirely unpolitical, living in arbitrary borders under arbitrary regimes, disconnected from large flocks of their own who live across these arbitrary borders)

etc etc

what I can not see myself doing is intervene in penal law. It’s the area I have absolutely no philosophic idea about except the pure evolutionary logic of being driven to ‘punish’ someone who causes harm - I have the idea that the standards can not be set here, that this is where excess must find a very clean and direct path, that should not be absorbed for to long by the system. I think the system is never dead - the institution is always as Pezer says up close and personal - and thus that it actually suffers of the misdeeds it is asked to process, and can come up fairly quickly with appropriate punishments if only wrong/right are set in stone, and degree all due to context.

Capable and I used to disagree penal law, and again it is not my strength at all, the best I can do is rationalize my will to leave it locally whereas I know full well that this would lead to lynchings. So, in effect, I am at loss - because once a self-valuing is violated and the state interprets this as a violation of it, of its laws, then both the perpetrator and the victim are absorbed in a ‘sinful state’ - which then through the theory of law, philosophy, attempts to attone for itself.

There is something to be said for the Iranian model, which is not strictly Islamic, but simply an eye for an eye, when it comes to violent crimes - they allow the victim or the victims kin to execute the payback. I know that it sounds barbaric, but it will at least be infinitely more sensible than what the US has now, where a good part of its most vital population has been legally entrapped at the age of 18-22 into a petty drug deal to be imprisoned simply so the owners of these prisons can take their daily couple of hundred taxdollars for each inmate… capitalism is worse than religion in the illusions it is able to spin - that is precisely its power, probably. And why it now is running seemingly inevitably into an abyss of impossible necessary return. But since it is all a figment of the imagination the worthy of all money (none of it can be eaten or used as a tool, other than a coin as a screwdriver) it will be possible for to whomever the debts are outstanding to just dissolve the whole problem. the economy itself cant really crash, it can just happen that too much misplaced money gets between the wheels and it slows down for a bit, which in turn causes poverty and that may case violence, which in turn has some power to hinder production - but the original cause is simply an idea, which can be let go off quite easily - as I see it, which may be wrong - it’s only an idea that occurred just now.

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:08 am
Okay, so I started to scatter some seeds of political self-valuing among The People of ILP. Im going to water this and see if it takes root. Here is my OP - a zanyness is always required, - or as Parodites would never say: a romantic irony to ward off cynicism and have style become reality-generative meme - let the stars follow their course and the gods scatter along its path, pouring the water of life as the Hades conquers the house of our birth.

trash:

These elections are the first ones of the people. No matter who wins, the people will have elected now. All have been able to see the truth and fraud will be difficult to pull off. Whatever happens is the will of the people. Now we begin to see what that actually means.

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:22 am
the essential question of Nietzsche is what the truth is worth.

The people of America will now decide that among themselves. They will also bear the first consequences, but the results will shape the will to power more than any decision so far since Caesar passed his power along to Octavian.

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:32 am
Please keep in mind that “We the People”, at the time of writing, was referring to “landed white men”. Little has changed.
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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:42 am
Fixed Cross wrote:
the essential question of Nietzsche is what the truth is worth.

The people of America will now decide that among themselves. They will also bear the first consequences, but the results will shape the will to power more than any decision so far since Caesar passed his power along to Octavian.

Yes, this upcoming election is a very important one. Sad that the Republicans could do no better than Trump. But then, Trump may be what my country needs right now.

Truth is the most important asset a person has. I believe Nietzsche tried to express this in his own way.

I also believe that the “will to power” is rooted in the individual’s desire to live one’s own life the way (s)he sees fit (without violating the same right of others).

We Americans will soon be making a choice. Continue on the same path (most people don’t like and can’t handle change) or start walking a different path.

Just letting you know that I have read the post, that I’m basically in agreement with what you said but have nothing to add at the moment.
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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:23 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Maybe I should add that all my commentary on the US is extremely ironic - all the facts I state are true to my knowledge but the paradigm I sketch is naturally very far from an American psyche.

BUT THAT IS THE POINT.

The US has imposed itself on the world through the selective values that the world is now holding back up to it. It is not hamburger culture, it has no claim to food in such a dramatic way - it is violent sanctimoniousness. The error Freud spoke of, that he feared could bring a great catastrophe upon mankind.

Trump is the least sanctimonious man ever to run for president, and yet the first candidate of which the Americans are ashamed. He is the first one who behaves in a way that is clearly the same as the behavior the US has been selling as cool, and as how it’s done. But apparently Americans dont actually believe in what theyve been selling us.

So we I am giving back now some impressions - it is always insulting if ones country is defined by a foreigner, especially one that has some stake in it - I am aware of the ugliness of mistakes precisely if they are rare but structural. But so here it goes.

America is a stupid country, it has had stupid sanctimonious barbarians as leaders. Leaders who had no clue as to who they were leading… and who were being led by a large oligarchy of capitalistic interests that were the true benefactors of our age. Your presidents have been arbitrary men, puppets of a clunky evolution that brought about a regime of douchebags utterly unnecessary under the umbrella of free value exchange. Clinton is sort of the decision that douchebaggery now needs to be the iron rule of the planet. It wont co ‘click’ like the previous times.

Someone actually managed to tell me that it was sort of rational for the NATO to be mobilizing in Ukraine because Russia is. People think that. I realize that most Americans must have no clue that Ukraine borders on Russia. Ugly ugly ugly. And as the world is self-valuing, it truly will very likely come to an end when this motivation comes to be the dominant one.

So fuck it. Im posting some shreds of your constitution with Betty Boop. Pop culture is the highest pronunciation of the US in any case - it is the lightness that did not exist before.

This lightness has gone to its head…

Philosophers are of course not tied to their national ethos and worth, even though they may determine it.

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:34 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Sisyphus, are you American? If so from which state?

It would be nice if we dont go to war, I still have much to see - as do we all.

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:41 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Of course there is the Third Possibility we need to be talking about - or not - probably not -
what the establishment will do if Trump wins.

You have to offer them jobs. Maybe you can give them Australia.

Now this is how a Amsterdam kid saw your country in the 90’s.

youtube.com/watch?v=mY0TcSrt8os

(to ‘understand’ … lol… one must first see part 2, the first part. youtube.com/watch?v=3mgZLTzuVxw )

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:58 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Fixed Cross wrote:

America is a stupid country, it has had stupid sanctimonious barbarians as leaders. Leaders who had no clue as to who they were leading… and who were being led by a large oligarchy of capitalistic interests that were the true benefactors of our age. Your presidents have been arbitrary men, puppets of a clunky evolution that brought about a regime of douchebags utterly unnecessary under the umbrella of free value exchange. Clinton is sort of the decision that douchebaggery now needs to be the iron rule of the planet. It wont co ‘click’ like the previous times.

I can’t argue with that. The last president we had that I actually respected was Ike.

So fuck it. Im posting some shreds of your constitution with Betty Boop. Pop culture is the highest pronunciation of the US in any case - it is the lightness that did not exist before.

I was surprised to see Betty Boop. I have a few of the original black/white graphics of her.

Philosophers are of course not tied to their national ethos and worth, even though they may determine it.

In truth, my ideal is that all humans can become cosmopolitans. This was inspired by Albert Camus. There is much philosophy in Camus’ writings but most people miss it.
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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:07 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
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Sisyphus, are you American? If so from which state?

It would be nice if we dont go to war, I still have much to see - as do we all.

Yes, I am an American. A proud one. I served twenty years in the Army.

I was born/raised in northern Ohio. Retired from the Army to Florida where I still live.

My philosophy while in the Army was to preserve the peace, not to make war.

As the warrior’s code states: I will help you if I can; I will kill you if I must.

My country is involved way too much in the affairs of other countries. The new president of the Philippines is the only person recently who has had the balls to talk back to dictates from America when after Obama attempted to counsel him on how to rule his country the newly elected president told Obama to go to hell. I fell he was right and just in doing so.

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:16 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Fixed Cross wrote:
Of course there is the Third Possibility we need to be talking about - or not - probably not -
what the establishment will do if Trump wins.

You have to offer them jobs. Maybe you can give them Australia.

Now this is how a Amsterdam kid saw your country in the 90’s.

youtube.com/watch?v=mY0TcSrt8os

(to ‘understand’ … lol… one must first see part 2, the first part. youtube.com/watch?v=3mgZLTzuVxw )

Yeah, a lot of negative things can be said about America and most of them are likely justified.

However, there are still people who come here on visitor’s or education visa and after their visa expires they just stay here in the USA. And there are many who come here to find work and never go back home.

My nation still has great potential for millions of people but big industry, big banking, and my government keeps screwing up the “American Dream”.

I have no idea where my country is headed but I don’t like the indicators I have seen over the past 50 years.

Trump may be what America needs to get back on track. I don’t know. I don’t like the idea of Trump being president but that doesn’t matter if it would bring positive changes.
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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:57 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Im honored that someone with all that experience find sense in my analyses.

It has always seemed me as well that Eisenhower was the best president of the post war era. I suppose this means that indeed for an imperial nation, generals can very well make good presidents.

De Gaulle was one of Frances best presidents and George Washington was of course a general.
Military men have the knowledge of necessity and sacrifice that no state can do without.

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:59 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Can you imagine a military coup in the US? The thought never occurred to me before now.
It would require an absolute chaos among the Agencies.

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:00 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Yes, military people have had to opportunity to view things from the outside and most try to stay out of politics.

Powell was a good General. Too bad he accepted that job with Bush.

McArthur was feared by the politicians and that’s why he got fired.

I think a military coup in the US would be almost impossible. The various commands are too separated. Yes, it would require chaos at the top levels of government.
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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:15 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
With a knot in my stomach I remember Powells face like I just saw it. As he presented the aerial pics of the supposed facilities, his soul broke.

I dont know how they coerced him but it may simply have been with dishonorable discharge due to some woman he saw or something.
It seems to be the way leaders are generally being discredited.

You can see my issue with puritanicalism - it doesnt mix well with militarism.

The Roman Mars was an absolute servant to the central state-goddes Venus.
No nation ever rose to power without gods except the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany and Maoist China.

We must discuss this - because we need to look at consequences, not ideals.

Go visit the Temple of Zeus in Athens (it is not on the Acropolis, but down amidst the dirty traffic), and tell me if you do not understand why I say that gods exist.
Fictions that cause cultures into being, whole sciences, these are existing things. Even though I feel that Zeus is far more than a fiction, as purely a fiction he already is more real and tangible than most things.

The World is Will to Power, Zeus is an image of power that compels my psyche into ecstatic creative downpouring. Odin is a god that guides my path to beautiful girls. I live with gods since a while, since Ive discovered which ones are both relevant and real enough to me, their presence comes alive through valuing their attributes.

The psyche is more powerful than it strictly needs to be - this is the human problem. It is my experience that to hold on to a supreme but non absolute value, which is to say a great love, is in general the best way of getting things done in the long run. If a god serves such a purpose, then belief is justified ( granted that it does not get into the way of other values, such as science or common sense, that it does not restrict, but only discloses.

Hence - N’s question about the value of truth.
And since it can be questioned at all - if value does not take prevalence -
if value, furthermore is not Truth itself.

And what is a god if not a Value… the truth about truth is its value, which first of all is determined by its pertinence. And value is per definition pertinent.

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Because I dont accept any limits set by authority figures, a god who is totally indifferent to human affairs except when they produce supreme beauties or virtues like the Greeks had their Gods is a perfect catalyst of life, for a forcefully imaginative type like me. Zeus is not an authority, nor is lightning an authority, not that it knows anyway - it does not even notice us.

I wonder if it is possible for you accept the gods existence to me, as I accept his non existence to you. Not that I care to convince, I just like to explicate - and I psychologically wonder about the thresholds that values put in the human mind.

Truth is great, but it has too many wings to fly.

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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:55 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
I can’t question beliefs no more than I can question faith or a person’s religion.

Those are personal and I have no right to question them.

But I will, on occasion, point out reality to another if appropriate.

A story about the Buddha: it is said that a disciple asked Buddha if the gods answer a person’s prayers. Buddha replied that there are no gods but if you pray to them they will answer you prayers.

I did read some Greek mythology during my mid-teens but that was so very long ago. Hardly any recall.
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PostSubject: Re: The Analytic Impossibility of Globalism Until Value Ontology Is Implemented as All-Law Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:51 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
You might like the novel American Gods by Neil Gaiman, Fixed. It’s not bad. Odin makes an regular appearance if I remember right.

Trump mostly represents normal people being fed up with being lectured by the very people that ruin their lives, towns, states, country, and planet. In this sense, at least, he represents me. He is the most dignified and honest representative politician I ever saw.

I don’t know who it was doing the talking here but that is one of the saddest statements I’ve heard lately.

I voted for this lesser-of-two evils and wish that I hadn’t voted at all, which isn’t me.

Define dignified?
Define honest?

He’s a demagogue!

I pity you. Its great to have Trump. You should not be seduced into feeling bad about a human running your nation for a chance, Arc.

you wouldnt happen to read mainstream media, would you???

Trump uses the means of the people… this makes him a demagogue in the eyes of elitist. Yes, we know this. But are you elitist, Arc?

Compassion might be a better word to use.
Define human.
Would you like to have him? Take him.

Do I listen to the news? Yes, I do. But I also read him, I listen to his so-called rhetoric. I see his narcissism and his insecurities. I do not trust him. Thankfully, hopefully, he will not run this country as he did his own businesses.
He’s like a fascist.
Do I have a bias against? I sure do but I also see that he is not good for this country…only for a chosen few.

No, I am not. I am rather surprised that you would have to ask me that question.

I cant even begin to imagine why someone with a heart would think of Trump as bad. I only see fascistic media and idiotic beliebers lying and crying, for the rest I just see Trump making miracles happen domestically and abroad to save mankind.

Defeating isis, repealing Obamacare, getting out of tpp, just a few world class savior acts he pulls off in the first year. But there is so much more that he does that is better than I ever expected Americans to be capable of doing, politically.

Trump began a process of healing, but the disease is close to terminal already. If he can bring the debt down somehow that would be most useful. But the Fed Reserve always retains the ability to crash the economy at moment notice, which power they have acquired since 2008 by loading up their balance sheets with over 4 trillion dollars (almost 1/4 the whole GDP) of bad debts. If they start selling those debts, it’s all over.

I don’t know if they would use that as a threat or not. But I wouldn’t put anything past them.

Regardless, the disease was so massive that the healing simply had to start, somewhere, anywhere. Doing nothing (electing The Shill) was not an option. And the deep earthy wisdom of Americans understood this.

And the Federal Reserve is run by…???

The Fed Reserve is a private company owned by the major US banks, with its governors being appointed by the president and confirmed by the senate.

Alan Greenspan, Ben (Shalom) Bernanke, and Janet Yellen being…?

I’ve already addressed that issue. More than once. Now you need to tailor your comment to what I’ve already said on the subject.

You haven’t addressed a damn thing.

None of that is a done deal as of yet, Jakob. He hasn’t defeatest isis. Also, is it he alone who would be defeating isis?
About Obamacare? What would he do but rush in where angels fear to tred. I agree that health care needs changing but what does he want to do? Swoop in like a terrible tsunami and wipe people out, healthwise. I do not trust him, the way he operates.

I think that you have some Halo Effect going on, Jakob.
He is not the Savior of the World. On the other hand…

I didn’t say that he was all bad. Most people are not all bad ~ most. But I do not intuit that he is good for this country. Pay very close attention to him, the things which he says and the things which he doesn’t say. They are not in good harmony ~~ for me.
Franklin Roosevelt used to have his fireside chats.
He has his so-called tweets. How harmonious are they? How deserving of the office of the President of the United States?
Has he ever been called on the carpet so to speak for his actions and reactions on twitter?
Do you think that it would behoove lol the P of the US to be rational and balanced when it comes to his tweeting albeit he is a human being – but still, could he not exercise intelligence and walk away?
How much better in a person’s eyes he might at least appear to be, instead of being no different than many who rant?
Does he have carte blanche when it comes to tweeting?
Ought he to say the first thing which comes to his mind, because he has felt insulted?
Ought the P of the US fight back verbally when insulted or do you think that he must exercise some form, some kind of civility?
After all, he is not admonishing or insulting one of his employees from the past.
Where is the intelligence and decorum when it comes to the way in which he relates to many people?

I don’t know if he can in reality be dangerous but the way he exericses his right to speak to people can sometime in the future make for danger.
Behavior in one venue I think carries over to behavior in other venues.

Trump is the first non-fascist, non genocidal president you’ve had for at least half of a century.

But he uses twitter.

I can’t even begin to argue with you, Arc. The lives Trump is responsible for bettering already count in the billions.

Its fine by me if you don’t see this. But your life has been drastically improved as well.

Arc - this applies in my world just as acutely as your own standards apply in yours.
If you can read this without giving in to the impulse of wanting to “correct” me here, then you will be able to better understand my position - without taking it, of course, without sharing it. I do not expect nor desire that - it is impossible. It would be a miracle just for you to understand the basics of the standards Nietzsche describes below.

I can assure you that this applies in my world with perfect consistency, and always has.

"A great man — a man whom nature has constructed and in-
vented in the grand style — what is he?

First: there is a long logic in all of his activity, hard to survey
because of its length, and consequently misleading; he has the
ability to extend his will across great stretches of his life and to
despise and reject everything petty about him, including even
the fairest, “divnest” things in the world.

Secondly: he is colder, harder, less hesitating, and without
fear of “opinion”; he lacks the virtues that accompany respect
and “respectability,” and altogether everything that is part of the
“virtue of the herd.” If he cannot lead, he goes alone; then it
can happen that he may snarl at some things he meets on his way.

Third: he wants no “sympathetic” heart, but servants, tools;
in his intercourse with men he is always intent on making some-
thing out of them. He knows he is incommunicable: he finds it
tasteless to be familiar; and when one thinks he is, he usually is
not. When not speaking to himself, he wears a mask. He rather
lies than tells the truth: it requires more spirit and will.*’ 1 There is
a solitude within him that is inaccessible to praise or blame, his
own justice that is beyond appeal." [Nietzsche, The Will to Power]

Mind you, this is not meant as a description of Trump. It is a description of a type of man that may hep you understand why Trump is being valued over all the other US leaders before him. Trump is a step in the right direction.

Fixed Cross

Perception is everything. This I am aware of. You do not see his fascist leanings?
I will take a better look if you will. But…
As I said, I did vote for him but I see no real changes but many grandiose statements/promises.
But Rome wasn’t built in a day.

If you place a particular vowel and a consonant before the word uses Jakob, you might be more on the mark.

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Sure you could but you would win insofar as arguing goes but not convince me otherwise ~~ since you are a far better opponent than I am.
But do you want to know something? I would love nothing better than to be convinced of his effectiveness in actually making America great again.

What have you been drinking, Jakob, and I ask you this with affection.
Show me where so I don’t think that this is just so much propaganda.

I think that there is a halo effect going on there.
My life is just as it was before he became president.
But please tell me ~~in what way has my life changed. I do not see it at least not as yet.

This might appear to be your projection, Jakob, but I’ve been known to be wrong and that is not coming to you as an insult, not at all.
But I really do think that there is a strong halo effect going on with regards to how you view him.
But don’t worry about it. We all have them but we have to see them.

So I do not see most of this pertaining to him but certainly some does lol . … probably more to you.
But I am curious about what the historians will have to say about him when the time comes. I only hope that it is far better than what I intuit. i realize that I am more than a bit biased here but who is it who sees more realistically, the one who has the halo effect or the one who might be a bit biased? That question does not pertain to just you and me. Perhaps they are simply the opposite side of the coin. Who knows?
But let’s not count our chickens before they are hatched and let’s not put the cart before the horse.

lol What?! Has Trump written a book called Notes to Myself (an actual title of a book) and have you been reading it?
You would first have to prove a statement like that, Jakob and who is it that would do this valuing of yours at this stage of the game?
Don’t people have to prove their selves first?
Is that from one of those so-called polls which would favor him? It would certainly have to be at this stage of the game.
You can’t see the bit of hero worship going on here?

You have me all wrong. I am far too cynical about human nature to have human heroes.
I see in trump the first somewhat honest, somewhat transparent, somewhat human US leader of my time.

I think it is rather the halo-effect of the previous leaderships that has you fooled.

They were all absolute monsters, and yet they were presented as humans, and people voted for them and let them do their monstrous business while talking about them as if they were any less horrible than Hitler. That to me is the halo effect which Trump breaks.

Anyone who liked Hillary Clinton is, and I mean this literally, easily as deluded as anyone who liked Hitler. But the same to an extent goes for Obama, and Bush, and Clinton, and Bush – not to speak of the ones that came before. All of these folks are mass murderers. Thats no reason to dismiss the USA, or the West, but it is a reason to rejoice in a more honest and human type of leadership.

Humans will always be offensive to humans. That is why ultra sensitive humans vote for robots like Clinton and Obama, who do their killing with a big grin and tell you its all for the good of mankind.

People actually believe that Obama did al his mass murdering for some moral purpose. That is the halo effect. That is the hero worship. Obama and Clinton fans are literally exactly the same as Hitler fans. That is the halo effect. Trump has no halo, he is crude, like the USA is at heart. He doesn’t have it in hi to pretend he is something he is not. The US is being revealed to itself. That is what hurts you about Trump - you are being made to see yourself as an American.

Americans are being made to see that their country is not some moral vanguard, but a human all too human power that has to make a decision about whether or not it likes itself. Trump shows you for what you are. Take it or leave it.

:-"

If you have real rouble seeing my perspective, just take a look at the viciously obscene cowardice of so many people on this site, and realize that this is a kind of running standard for politically motivated humanity - it is all entirely subhuman. In this subterranean climate of behaviour, this absolutely ugly standard of comportment that people like Wendy and Joker represent, the absolute cowardice and leechery of it amidst all of that, a leader like Trump is pure deliverance. An actual human.

Humans are not exalted beings, but they are better than Clintons or Obamas, Ottos and Autsiders, better than the memetic froth on genetic waste that these trolls represent.

Absolutely, yes.

This is excellent stuff. Trump is indeed the rightful representative of America, the true face of the US. I’ve disliked the US since my adolescence, and therefore also dislike Trump; Fixed Cross has loved it since childhood, and therefore also loves Trump.

Last night I was in a heightened state and wrote something in English again, against my resolution–something philosophical, that is. I will post it here in honour of the Philosophers and also because it may be fitting in this context.

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Philosophical supremacism is the claim that philosophers rank above all other men, or that philosophy ranks above all other–activities. Now this has always been widely considered insane–consider Glaucon’s response to Socrates’ idea of the philosopher kings in Plato’s Republic–, and even in modern times it will be considered so. For to a modern, philosophy or science only has value insofar as it improves the people’s life. But one need not be a modern or even a Platonist to find grave problem with the claim. For there is an inner, analytic inconsistency to it.

Philosophical supremacism is concerned with rank. Rank however is not the subject of philosophy as such, but only of political philosophy. That is to say, it’s not the subject of natural, but only of moral philosophy, not of physics or metaphysics but only of ethics, at most of religious philosophy but not of “first philosophy”–philosophy proper, “philosophical” philosophy. This means that philosophy proper cannot claim a higher rank than any other activity.

The philosophers proper, however,–the genuine or actual philosophers–are those who lay claim to a highest form or way of human life, a virtuous life or person. To claim this about the (meta)physician is inconsistent, as we have seen. But is claiming it for the political philosopher not circular and thereby absurd? “The highest man is he who commands and legislates as a statesman, a moralist or a prophet that his kind of life is considered the highest.” He will then have to do so as a rhetorician, a play actor, an inspired poet: his self-expression, not what is expressed is then the focus: it is only the shadow play suggestive of the blaze behind it.

In the case of moral philosophy, that blaze is the blaze of natural philosophy: the impassioned conviction that every part of nature, as a manifestation of the whole or the nature of nature, is divinely glorious to see in truth. On some level, be it only the microscopic, science and divine service are one. Sublime patterns are found that fill us with awe. But the microscopic and telescopic are in a sense different planes from our natural, human-scaled one. In this sense, science is an escape. The greatest challenge lies in what is seen with the naked eye and the naked mind. This is the level on which dust is dust and fire is fire. The level on which virtue or virility banishes filth into nooks and crannies. On this level, the divine itself is ranked into high and low–even into divine and non-divine, even demonic.

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The level on which dust is dust and fire is fire is also the level on which worms are worms (as per another of FC’s most recent posts). I was actually thinking of worms around when I wrote “filth” and, then, “dust”. I also thought of the brain of the leech (Zarathustra part 4) and of gnats’ anuses (Aristophanes’ Clouds).

Here’s something else I wrote today: “Tastism: the view that there is such a thing as good and bad taste.” I may be a Cato to Trump’s “Caesar”, but I do assert that an objectively higher taste and tastefulness can only arise out of the consistent assertion of some irrational and arbitrary taste.

“Voegelin seems to believe that ‘post-constitutional’ rule is not per se inferior to ‘constitutional’ rule. But is not ‘post-constitutional’ rule justified by necessity or, as Voegelin says, by ‘historical necessity’? And is not the necessary essentially inferior to the noble or to what is choiceworthy for its own sake? Necessity excuses: what is justified by necessity is in need of excuse. The Caesar, as Voegelin conceives of him, is ‘the avenger of the misdeeds of a corrupt people.’ Caesarism is then essentially related to a corrupt people, to a low level of political life, to a decline of society. It presupposes the decline, if not the extinction, of civic virtue or of public spirit, and it necessarily perpetuates that condition. Caesarism belongs to a degraded society, and it thrives on its degradation. Caesarism is just, whereas tyranny is unjust. But Caesarism is just in the way in which deserved punishment is just. It is as little choiceworthy for its own sake as is deserved punishment. Cato refused to see what his time demanded because he saw too clearly the degraded and degrading character of what his time demanded. It is much more important to realize the low level of Caesarism (for, to repeat, Caesarism cannot be divorced from the society which deserves Caesarism) than to realize that under certain conditions Caesarism is necessary and hence legitimate.” (Strauss, “Restatement on Xenophon’s Hiero”.)

With this ad hoc “signature” quote I will return to my self-imposed exile from English in philosophicis.

=D> And you, the ego-maniac, self-deceiving, drug addict who can’t face his mental illness who fucks black whores with ketamine up their asses and brags about it while some lame sock puppet on ILP are of a high standard, more valuable, than the average American, like Joker and I who deal with our families, don’t flee from our countries, and fuck each other legally while sober, we are ugly since we reject a greedy, religious conspiracy. Yes, you are the epitome of sound judgement. You keep bringing up my name, desiring my attention being the sick fuck you are and now you have it crazypants! Was the chick you took the photo of and posted in the rant house the Islamic girl you knocked up?

Only a low life would use a girl, without her consent, for some sleazy photo-op proof of having sexual affairs. =D> Good job dumdum!