The only savior man has is himself

DEATH only exists If you see yourself as being the physical body. In other words, it is a “duality” view. On the other hand, from a non-duality view, death doesn’t exist. There is only LIFE which has always existed and will never end.

Those who see themselves as being the physical body perceive they are in control. They judge things as being right or wrong, good or evil, fair or unfair. On the other hand, those who realize the physical body is a vehicle, realize “control” is an illusion and see things for what they are as opposed to what they appear to be.

If you do not control you, then who is in control of you?

If you judge not, which seems to be where you are heading, then would you not judge the one raping your wife or daughter to be quite evil?

Regards
DL

I will tell you that the flesh is you as well as the spirit of the flesh. Whatever chooses to bind itself to the flesh can become part you. If you deny your own flesh, then I think that does really say all that there needs to be known about you and whether to trust or not to a spiritual being of a person who would say goodbye to the flesh that has served them for however many years upon death. Certainly the flesh goes its own way while some spiritual part of what claims to be it goes another, but the not-so-confusing part of it is that you are still the flesh. No matter where your consciousness may drift, it will also go back to the particles, no matter how dead or decayed that it stemmed from, even if it inhabits many casings of flesh in its eternal walk. Think along the lines of the long-term thinker and dreamer that could conceivably create reality and what they would have to go through to actually conceive of it.

Gnostic Christians would agree with most of this without buying into the supernatural which you seem to have bought into with your “flesh in its eternal walk”.

Let’s stick with what can be known and stay away from what cannot be known.

Regards
DL

I am sticking with what can be known. Almost every theory I have posited here has been proven as stands or adapted not very far from its formation to a much more cohesive piece similarly able to be proven by the collective information and evidence over time. I have been wrong as things have swayed my mind here and there and had me type silly things, but the overall of my work has not been swayed much. from flesh to flesh as it decays and returns its smallest particles back to a collective of particles that then goes through its own process, there is a shearing and letting go of what we are, the energy that then ‘reincarnates’ and this is beyond just simple meaningless and empty thought. It’s not all that scientific since modern and popular science defies and denies any conversation along these lines and this one still isn’t good enough for anyone, apparently, so they and you can fuck off. Fuck off ahead of time. Done.

So think in a garbage supernatural way as you do, or fuck off, is your only argument.

Thanks for showing us your mind.

Regards
DL

Not a fucking problem, jackass.

Jeez guys…language. This is a family forum.

And some guy…you should just do better. You need to set higher standards for yourself if you’re going to go around demanding people’s respect. Surely not every exchange with you has to devolve into you throwing insults…

I mean, it makes you look dumb, or at the very least lazy. Maybe both. You’re not those things are you?

Keep talking to me like a child. Nobody has made THAT mistake, yet.

At least you could try to understand why I might have the right and every reason to be as rude and as crude as I’ve been.

But don’t you dare look down your nose and start condescending me. people have been making that mistake since I was young.

Surely anybody with a brain could see where the conversation was like to go if I actually sat there and explained it in full. I, in fact, already explained enough in the short bit that I did to sate curiosity and the question itself. From there, the response gained from where I turned it only further confirmed where it was like to go had I gone through the motions of explaining it all out.

Not my first rodeo, not my first time on the non-official court stand, not my first time being hounded by the jackasses that be, and it’s a good thing that there’s a tongue-in-cheek part to what you said, though grossly overlaid with seriousness. Seriousness as if there hasn’t been people ripping others to shreds with subtle insults and subtle attacks and making out as if my responses are unwarranted. If that was the case, and a family forum what a joke but even if it was… Why the fuck am I still here at that rate? Oh, right, because I back up everything I say with actual meat, actual evidence, actual creditable credible material. That’s why. I exemplify philosophy, I exemplify reason, I exemplify everything I bring to the table and know what I talk about, otherwise why talk about it? Every time I open my mouth, even in swearing and cutting them down, I never once open it without just cause, without reason; not once have I opened it just to talk shit as so many others, yourself included, have done.

I am better and I will not be treated like shit, will not be treated like this. So, you can kiss it, you can lick the crack in it, watch me walk back down the miracle mile to the infinite mile through the green mile…

Boo hoo. It is all about me. Boo hoo.

Regards
DL

Coming from someone who belongs to an ‘I-Me-My’ group consciousness.

What the hell is that. If they want dues for membership, I guess they must have given me a membership free yet never let me know I was a member.

Regards
DL

Your reply is evidence of the accuracy of what I said of you. It is trademark of their activities, their responses. Dare call me crazy? Care to see me unravel you right here in front of everybody? Shake you up to such degree as to make your emotional responses more evident and obvious? All you’ve got to do is say the word, give me the go-ahead. Continue.

Oh my.

I cannot type I am shaking so badly out of fear.

I have a number of topics on the go. Go craze buddy if you think you have what it takes.

This one might be good if you think you have a winning hand.

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The religious either ran from it or they just did not know how to refute what I put.

Regards
DL

Distraction tactics. Attempt to drag me off topic, off track and try to beat me with experienced stupidity.

In case you’re wondering, I am not your Savior, I am not your King; I am not your Lord; and this will not be over quickly.

K: the question of a “savior” turns on the question of being saved…

what does man need to be saved from or saved for?

I reject the concept of human beings needing be to be saved…
because it implies that we needed to be saved…

I see nothing in human existence that requires us to be saved for or
from…

I reject the concept that humans need to be “redeemed”
because once again, I don’t see what or why we need to be “redeemed”…

it is a false question and a false statement… to be saved or to be redeemed or
to have a savoir implies that we need it and we don’t…it is enough
to understand that we are just human beings and that is enough…

Kropotkin

I agree. As I’ve said countless times, they heap their sins on Jesus Christ in scapegoat fashion and expect to be saved from the consequences of their own actions, compounded by the ‘sins’ forced upon them in so many veins of force-perception, some of it rational and actual good psychology, the rest a bunch of bullshit. They refuse to face the father for what they do to the son in making him a whipping boy pack mule, what modern language would call ‘bitch’ in all terms of slang-use.

Exactly what is it they want to be saved from? Which of their fears in their nest of insecurities can they be saved from and if they are to be saved from them, then wouldn’t it be by proper psychology through a reasoning engine that would be, if the fucker exists, God prescribed? Rather than some flashy son of man coming in waving his hands and snapping his fingers and flashbanging a Heaven on them all that they don’t deserve and would ruin almost instantaneously.

They paint the proper picture, 'God is the beginning and the End, the Alpha and the Omega; we are made in his image; he is an authoritarian and disciplinarian, but he is fair; Beautiful and awesome in his majesty and terrifying in his wrath. They turned their God into their Devil and refuse to face the facts that Lucifer Morningstar is more of a fit heir to the throne than any Michael the Archangel or Jesus Christ. By his very name, Morningstar and the fact that God saves his toughest battles for his strongest warriors and he himself wades out onto the battlefield; what can they expect other than him facing their problems as just another individual, as an equal and solving them on the appropriate levels, since they apply to his levels as well. Equality.

And then, save them from what will find them anyway in just a moments distraction and so they hate their God for another reason, for being the perfect devil in giving them lessons in pain to counter the actual twisted ones with actual sound medicine by delivering to them their lessons in pain as inoculation and preventive medicine.

And that God would be born and raised as one of them, not knowing his weight until he grew into it, not some mind they can not fathom. Not some perfect being that is unsuited to judge the imperfect, but a motherfucker who is likely to swear, likely to indulge in drugs, likely to find himself homeless, likely to be anything other than the poster-bitch they want to make him into. And so much of eternity is beyond God and the devil, beyond that dichotomy, so they think themselves safe to tear apart his shit, only to find him in every aspect of life again, ever the warrior, ever the peacemaker, ever the vengeful one in waging a perfect war of righteousness and in peace for a peace that will never be able to be claimed or reached. They fear him, they want nothing to do with him, they think themselves better and have found themselves losing.

It will be at this rate. You challenge, I accept, and you call it a distraction.

Go away fool.

Regards
DL

Some guy, just to be clear…I think you are a child. You’ve got the emotional maturity of a 15 year old who just got dumped by his first girlfriend. You don’t have a right to behave like an asshole…no matter what your mommy did to you. And again, to be clear, I mean for this post to be condescending, as well as pretty much every other thing I’ve ever said to you. You not a respectable poster, and you have the personality of a slice of toast.