I’ve already stated that every race-culture, including European and American, has a right to take pride in itself for what is actually good about itself, and that this doesn’t imply hatred of other races-cultures than one’s own. “Civic nationalism” is simply the default position we already have in the west, whereas “ethnic nationalism” is a tribal throwback to pre-western society, something Hitler tried and failed to achieve.
History doesn’t generally take kindly to going backwards.
And the stupidity of ethic nationalism doesn’t means that race doesn’t play a role in culture and society, in “civic nationalism” of the west, of course race plays a role. If you overly disturb and alter the racial makeup of any society then it will change drastically in response, which is why relatively low immigration rates are manageable but relatively high ones such as are happening in western and Northern Europe right now are not manageable. It has to do with how in group preference and a commonality of culture between people forms a backbone for the structure and strength of any society.
So you’re not a Nazi? I don’t believe you, but I can see why you would want to disavow it, since the position is indefensible.
So in group preference isn’t based on ethnicity? Ethnic pride is good but not ethnic nationalism? What about ethnic pride/nationalism without any “hate” or resentment towards others, is that good then?
He’s apart of the new conservative civic nationalist group, in their eyes it’s ok to have ethnic and cultural pride just whatever you do don’t demand your own ethnic cultural independent sovereign territory.
I’m not part of any group, and civic nationalism isn’t a new idea anyway, it’s the idea that the United States was founded on. All men created equal, all under the same law. Not that hard of a concept really.
If you want to found your society instead on tribal racialism then you’re moving away from equality of law, because ethnicity supersedes law. It had to for ethnic nationalism to work, which is why everywhere else in the world that has governments and societies based primarily on ethnic groupings is going to be a failed state.
Ethnic identity is important, and it is important not to invite the whole third world into your first world country. If we were to invite the whole of the intelligent, educated, sane third world into the west that wouldn’t be problematic in the least, so that tells you something about how the real priorities are. The issues with mass immigration are more about medievalism, poverty and stupidity of the people coming here, and not about their “ethnicity”.
And it’s also about religion, because to take the case of the Muslim third world coming into the west, Islam isn’t an “ethnicity” but is an ideology. Taking in a bunch of poor medieval Christian Africans would also be a bad idea, they might not declare jihad and suicide bomb us but they will certainly burn ‘witches’ and engage in slavery and rape and other barbaric practices of medieval societies that take 2000 year old religious texts literally.
Literalism is the real problem. And because Islam never has a Reformation, and also because the globalists have deliberately radicalized and destroyed the Middle East, Islam is far more entrenched in barbaric medievalism than is Christianity, although as I said there still exist barbaric medieval Christians too, just that they represent a smaller percentage of overall Christianity than the radical literalists in Islam represent of overall Islam. Imam Tawhidi claims that most Muslims in the world are medieval literalists.
Then on top of that (there are multiple layers here, which is why simplistic linear and lazy thinkers won’t understand any of this and will instead default to the ideological stupidity of things like “ethnic nationalism” aka Nazism) you have the fact that the west is culturally rooted in Christianity. So if you import enough non-Christians then you’re fucking with that cultural foundation. But educated and more secular Muslims and Christians have far more in common with each other and can get along in the west just fine, it’s just that as I said in Islam those people represent a very small percentage of overall Muslims in the world.
The issue is multifaceted. Not exactly something that your “nice guy national socialism” is capable of grasping.
Or to use the words of the globalist in self-denial:
Or this lovely flailing -
Ethnic identity is important, except it is not, it’s about IQ, I mean it’s not IQ, it’s muh shared values…and so on…
What’s really going on here is that Void is justifying the hoodwinked clan’s idiosyncrasies.
Homosexuality → good
Mixing races → good
Value the narcissist → good
Accept my vyleness → good
‘Secular’ Islam babes → good
Have to say that this reminds me of middle-aged catladies cheering for Muslim immigration to get laid and paid for by the state for adopting a Middle-Eastern boytoy.
As I said, the situation is multifaceted and far too complex for simple ideological thinkers (e.g. ethnic nationalists aka Nazis) to grasp.
When you attempt to see the world through such a small mental lens, as you clearly possess, things simply appear as “opposites”, such as you elaborate as your perspective above. A black and white ideology able to reduce all differences into binary categories so that your feeble mind is able to actually form some (pathetically small and warped) relationship amongst the various aspects, is the only idea you are capable of having.
Thanks for voluntarily presenting yourself as a case study in pathological stupidity. How nice that I didn’t even have to ask.
If you’re a great representation of the alternative right versus the traditional old right I don’t see why the liberals are bitching, you’re practically controlled opposition for them.
Quite telling how you can’t counter a single one of my points on this subject, and neither can your Nazi friends. And also quite funny you think I’m “alt right”.
How embarrassing that you Nazis share your ideological core with radical Muslims.
"TEL AVIV — Palestinian social media users, along with some in the larger Arab world, praised the brutal Palestinian terrorist attack in which three members of an Israeli family were murdered on Friday night during a Sabbath meal in the town of Halamish west of Ramallah.
Palestinian journalist Yasser Zaatreh wrote, “Yesterday was one of Palestine’s biggest days, starting with a day of rage that boasted the blood of three martyrs and ended with a heroic act that hurt the invaders. This is the land that Allah blessed.” "
I fail to see the point. There was a worldwide population of 10 million Jewish people at the beginning of the 20th century, many of them in Russia and Eastern Europe. The history of persecutions, expulsions and pogroms against them is well known. It’s part of the reason some Jewish people joined the new anti-imperial Bolshevik movement, although many others also resisted doing so.
“Religion of 6 million”? Sorry I don’t speak Nazi, you’ll have to elaborate.
You seem not to understand how news works. Population figures are quoted all the time, and its common for one news source to use figures presented by another. If the AP wire comes out with a story that mentions a number like that, then it will end up being duplicated across many other news. It’s not complicated.
Are you saying the number of 6 million was inaccurate? Where’s your evidence of that, if so?
How about the indoctrination of all western children into thinking Nazi’s are LITERALLY evil, and if you even dare to so much as question the holy narrative presented to you, you are immediately branded a monstrous anti-Semite … How do you justify the shaming of children for inquiring after the truth?
Did you even watch the video? You don’t find that all a bit too coincidental? “Population figures are quoted all the time”… for a purpose it seems…
If the number is so accurate, then why do holocaust denial laws exist?
Yes, it is inaccurate. I personally watched the number grow from 2 million to 4 million a couple of years later, to 6 million a couple of years still later. And that was 25 years after the war. So unless you believe that they magically found another 4 million bodies 25 years later, the number “6 million” is a lie.
But there has been a reason for that lie. The number “6 million” shows up as a required number in ancient scripture, qualifying the “holocaust”, without which returning to their ancient land was not yet permitted. And I’m sure that it is no coincidence that the raise in number occurred immediately after the UN declaration that for each non-combatant killed in a war, the violating country was to pay the violated country $97,000. Germany is still paying on that retro-active declared 582 Billion dollar debt to Israel (even though Israel didn’t even exist at the time).
And that has been far from the greatest lie still being promoted on the subject. You live in the Land of Lies.
I do not justify shaming children for inquiring after the truth. Nor do I justify shaming the German people, as they are shamed today, because of what happened in WWII.
But neither do I pretend that Nazi Germany was some kind of great and wonderful thing. This is the main problem with people who get drawn into this conspiracy stuff, they are polarized, black and white thinkers without the ability to see a middle ground. Either the Nazis were Pure Evil Itself, or… no wait, if that is a little overblown then it must be the case that the Nazi’s were… good! Lol, well, sorry but life doesn’t work that way. Nazi Germany was a shitty, tyrannical ethnic nationalism that brutally ignored the needs of its own people (how else do you think they got that military machine built so quickly, on a struggling economy?), engaged in absolute censorship and propaganda with no recognition of even basic human rights, murdered millions in death camps (whether the number is more like 2-3 million or 6 million is irrelevant, and anyway they murdered more people than just Jews), and started a land war with the aim of taking over Europe.
Yeah. But let’s ignore all that because western society wants to make sure we never forget what happened there. Or because Germans are still shamed today for supposed generational guilt (which I already said I do not agree with). Or because western society doesn’t want to talk about atrocities and deaths in the USSR (which were far higher than in Nazi Germany) because of how the USSR still sort of represents the idea of a model communism for modern leftists.
Holocaust laws are not the only laws against free speech in some places in Europe. Anti-free speech laws in places like Germany or the UK cover anything “racist” or “bigoted” (as defined by the current status quo politically correct line) and are used to prosecute people who say anything “mean” about either Judaism or Islam (no one really cares if you say mean things about Christians). I agree that laws against Holocaust denial are stupid, but I agree that laws against free speech are stupid in general (the EU does not have freedom of speech, such as the United States has… one reason Europe is in such deep trouble right now with the immigration issue).
The irony is that laws against freedom of speech actually make things like Holocaust denial stronger over time, because they suppress the impulse to believe in that direction and prevent that impulse from being more properly released in discourse, challenged and openly refuted. Silencing speech only makes the silenced speech stronger. But that is something leftists of all stripes do not understand.
I’ll take note that you presented no evidence that the “6 million” number is inaccurate. And again, I do not really care if the number is 2 million or 6 million, either way it is quite bad. It would not surprise me if official numbers were manipulated later on for political purposes, because that happens all the time. But even if that did occur, the Holocaust did happen and Holocaust denial is stupid.
