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I shall dub you Mr. List.
Yes, I like how it speaks to/points out the inter-connectedness of humans.
…And therefore never send to know for whom
the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Reminds me of the below:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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I have in my mind the personal desire to talk and as well the social desires to talk
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Do you mean intimate conversation and social chit chat?
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- with social acceptance we develop these new desires that are collective and sit next to our very own desires. Some of these desires that are social require belief to come into being - I think this is the case with a lot of religion and science.
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Oh, I think I get it now. Collective is a good word for it I think. Yes, shared beliefs create a really strong social order. Could be highly beneficial or highly detrimental as in Nazism.
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We desire the truth
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Do we really, do you think? Or perhaps what we desire is our own made-up version of the truth to fit in with our beliefs and desires. Perhaps I am more skeptical than is best for me to be.
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- and when we find something that makes sense to us we tend to lend it some belief - any institution is just a case of what makes the most sense to the most people. When we are not happy with any given institution that has become a big part of us we tend to look for answers elsewhere.
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Exactly. Do you think that this shows a good thing, a wise and intelligent thing? I don't know. I just want your estimation.
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Through talk or writ people are able to produce or maintain their self and sometimes a new institution is born . . .
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True ~~ and too many of them for my liking. Well, that would depend on what they were. Let us not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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We desire to talk because we are basically all social creatures, interconnected with one another though at times we may not realize this. It is through the talking, the sharing, that we sometimes come to know this for the first time, each time."
We are indeed social creatures and our social desires are not our own - our desire to talk can be both our own and social - personal and social.
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I don't quite follow you here. I may not be *seeing* something here but why make a distinction between the two - our own and social?
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When a person wants to know themselves they are trying to remove the social noise from their internal environment.
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This I do get. Things like meditation, reflection, solitude...ad continuum.
Also, others can clue us in about who we are if we are willing to listen. Again, No Man is an Island.
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The overproduction of reality was a problem that I was facing at a simpler level and I think that through communication we are somehow able to deconstruct these overproduction's and store these results mentally as some sort of reference/s that propagate both ways to what is being referenced and to the reference/s.
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I'm probably wrong here. I've been wrong one or two times in my life ( <img src="/uploads/default/original/2X/7/7fc2d9cf701d2c2c22729238172e5be83405063f.gif" width="15" height="17" alt=":evilfun:" title="Evil Fun"/> ) but are you plainly put, speaking about *thinking too much*? Please explain if you care to.
Well, then again, an *overproduction of reality* can also be, to me, when everything (reality) becomes too pressing at the same time and overwhelming. When that time happens I think that we need *down* time quiet time , a long long walk alone, ALONE TIME and being sure to take all of the bats out of the belfry so to speak -- QUIETING OF THE MIND time. It so feng shuis the mind.
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"The desire to talk, at times, the need to talk, is spiritually/emotionally speaking, as important as eating and drinking."
"It is nourishing for the human psyche. If we are unable in some ways to communicate, to *relate* to others, we can shrivel up and die."
Our emotional state then becomes a type of "it all OK" or "its not all OK" flag. When all is OK then the white flag is raised and when all is not OK then the battle flag is raised. Talking becomes the medium to help each person ascertain their social state.
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HMMM... Maybe I'm misunderstanding you were. I was speaking of a more profound sharing.
Are you speaking here in terms of a *rant and rave* thing?
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So as we continue our exploration we encounter many other things that are related to our desire to talk
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Yes and to read read read.
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From here we start developing abilities to ask the right questions - the right questions are related to our own desire and what is socially acceptable to ask.
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I don't understand your *socially-acceptable to ask* unless it is a question which is highly personal and that can be in the mind of the beholder.
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When we ask the wrong question our ability "to *relate* to others" becomes diminished. It also follows that for the answers - .
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You have to establish what the wrong questions are, what YOU mean by the wrong question, encode_decode.
Are there wrong questions? Who knows. It might depend on the individual being asked, no?
Some people are more open and some people are more reserved and private. But I'm not sure what you are speaking of here.
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if we do not offer answers when asked questions then our ability "to *relate* to others" becomes diminished
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Are we speaking philosophy here or people asking questions on a more personal level?
Explain yourself, [b]Mr. List! [/b] :stuck_out_tongue:
Take care