I think it’s widely accepted that man=reason and woman=emotion.
How can you say that men are more pigheaded than women?
I agree Joker is more pigheaded than women but he’s not a good representation of men in general.
One easy example, when men are lost, they won’t ask for directions. In general, men hate asking for help which borders on psychosis. Yes, you want to solve your own problems but by being pigheaded your problems often spill over into other people’s lives causing unnecessary hardships.
MA,
Women ask for help to get problems solved, I’ll agree with that. I think that is because women are more practical and efficient than men. While a man would rather struggle to accomplish a goal on his own over a longer duration of time, a woman is like…what’s the quickest way we can get this done right because I have a ton of other things to do. A man, on the other hand, will fiddle faddle with the problem alone into infinity.
Men tinker.
Women organize…streamline.
That is because we have to seriously think about how to solve it before anything else can be done
Unfortunately.
Seriously?
Men hesitate to do many things that women might very willingly do and for one simple reason:
Throughout history, men have been very willing to feel, think, and even say, “She is merely a delicate, disadvantaged female. I should bend and help her out.” Women throughout history have craved for and depended upon such. Women are very accustom to being treated a certain way. When they display serious ignorance, foolishness, and naivety, men forgive them and attempt to compensate for their pathetic needs. The real truth is that such is the very nature of evolution’s command. Without the female being so helpless and the male being willing to compensate, the human race would not exist.
The end result of that, among many other concerns, is that males do not expect forgiveness from other people for their weaknesses. They correctly assume that other people will disrespect them for not knowing what perhaps “everyone should already know” or not being able to do what “everyone should be able to do” (unless female). Women live in a state of male forgiveness. Other women quite often see the issue more realistically and scorn women more accurately than men. But in our current age of accentuating weakness and promoting dependence and frivolous aspirations (all for a purpose), the common Media presents the image that the female’s inherent weakness is a strength and a good thing, and merely because males fall for it, “what suckers men are”.
So yes, males tend to hesitate to ask for directions. Why? Because they are still trying to not be meek, helpless females and rather instead, be contributors to a stronger, more self-reliant society or group (thus anti-socialist).
Even weak pathetic men (stereo-typical gay men) have trouble contradicting their inherent urge to be a man. Females seldom comprehend the difference. Although for such naivety and blindness, women are regularly forgiven … because of their natural helplessness (not so much gay men).
Woman, don’t cross the line with me. Don’t even think about it.
I don’t mind asking for help. The reason I generally don’t is because people generally do not want to help.
Whenever I am weak, I will certainly seek out help. However, if I realize that there is noone out there who can and who is willing to help then I will have no choice but to accept my fate.
There is, however, a breed of men who, unable to accept the reality that other people do not want to offer help, came up with a theory according to which people actually want to help it’s just that they have degenerated to a lower state of being from which they have to be rescued.
Their desire (to receive help) overpowers their reason (the obvious fact that they won’t receive any help.)
It makes them feel better because they don’t have to mentally process the consequences of the fact that there is simply noone out there who is willing to help.
And I think that women have a similar mentality, if this is not a feminine mentality itself.
They do not merely ask for help.
They expect and demand to receive help.
And when they don’t, they get angry.
To James: 
Why are you ranting? Man, don’t even try it with me or else, Buster! And when did your name become Magnus Anderson?
To Magnus: Stop with your pessimistic assumptions that no one will help and ask, for crying out loud.
I have seen men in situations where I couldn’t offer them the help that they wanted due to concerns for my safety. For instance, men as stranded motorists quickly become angry creatures especially late at night.
They are SO easy…
Arminius
I have no doubt that you may be correct. However I was only offering my own interpretation.
Hopefully this response will shed more light on the matter of influence - with any luck it should make sense.
I don’t know enough about Hegel or Nietzsche to comment. I am doing my best to break things down to their simplest components. Talking it seems to me is primarily about making noise and secondarily about getting a point across. Communication on the internet is a slightly different construct.
For example:
When we are babies we cry - something drives us to make a noise in the first place. Is the cry not a form of communication?
Many young creatures in their early stages make a noise - quite often for a reason.
After we have finished our many bouts of crying we tend to move into a more benign mode of making seemingly random noise(often times rather adorable).
Before we move onto articulating more structured sounds, it seems that crying and laughing are two of the earliest sounds that indicate emotional states.
Eventually our first words come into being. Whether we truly understand our first words the first time we use them is unknown to me.
We may never have known ourselves to begin with. By talking we are able to reflect off others who we are.
I am working with the idea that desires exist in some sort of hierarchy that is built up over time. Before we started talking and understanding the noise that came out of our mouths I can only assume that we were not really aware of that desire. For now I am not really certain how else I can put this.
Regarding influence then, I am saying that part of the motivation when we have the desire to talk, is to influence for good or bad - whatever the case may be. But would influence not be at a much lower level such as when the baby cries she or he might be unintentionally influencing one of her or his parents? I am not certain how the baby might be intending power, however recognition is probable - in the early stages perhaps less conscious.
But yes - it boils down to information - lots of it - the more the better. Communication is all about information.
I suggest in the case of the baby that the health of the group(being the family) as a whole is at times based on the baby’s influence and is rather innocent - but I am certain that we could debate that too - especially on ILP. I view the family as a unit of society.
Influence also comes in the flavor of innocence.
As for the first part, some men, some women.
INDIVIDUALS talk/discuss/brainstorm because it allows them to gain insight through their words and the words of others. If they are paying attention at the same time some things may perhaps come to them.
Then there are times when talking doesn’t actually solve problems. It is the NOT talking, not thinking, which will actually make it happen at some point…being above thought.
Hi surreptitious,
How are we doing?
I understand what you are saying but posting in a forum, at least to me, can still be considered to be talking conveying words, thoughts.
Also, have you never sensed spontaneous thought in here?
I wonder, if in the past when a group of philosophers got together, how least-intellectually demanding their philosophical discussions were? Is it possible that there discussions became so heated that they could be heard down the block?
Can sign language be considered as talking?
Possibly less demanding then you think when you have viewed particular threads/posts in here. 
But I can agree with you in part. On the other hand, depending on who the individual is, there are some philosophers who may be just as meticulous and demanding of their self when it comes to talking philosophy.
I don’t think that anything is just one way or another.
Perhaps I am wrong in my thinking but there is the social aspect to it I think insofar as people are communicating with one another.
But I understand your perspective, from your hermetical leaning.
And that’s okay if that is the way you choose to be obviously.
But still, can you actually say that there is not at least, and then some, some amount or modicum of socializing?
Are you an island floating around without any connection or relating to others? I don’t think so.
Nice speaking with you, surreptitious. I’m glad that at times you come out of your cave. 
True. And it is a mistake to think that women in a relationship are complaining because they want the man to solve the problem. Most of the time, she merely wants comforting through her struggle. Men often annoy women by trying to solve their “problems”. What they sense as their real problems are seldom what they are talking about. They merely hint at their deeper issues while using talking and complaining to try to better posture for sake of the actual hidden concern (often indecipherable even to themselves).
James,
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But there are women who are like that and there are men who are like that.
But for those who are not, I agree with you. Sometimes all a woman really wants IS the comfort of the man’s presence through her struggling. And that does not make a woman weak, it just makes her human.
And a woman may do the same for a man, through his struggling.
Good relationships have a give and take dynamic within them.
I wonder why that is? Are they trying to be helpful or are those men actually feeling some insecurity in the woman’s presence? It might more simply be that the man has been indoctrinated to believe that he has to indeed BE THE MAN and think for the woman.
No relationship is perfect.
Oh, I intuit this. Very often, what we view as the real problem is nothing to do with what is actually going on.
What we think is not the case.
I may be wrong but perhaps if there was more self-trust and other trust, they might share more intimately, even if they feel the fear because of that, and get at the real root of the problem, which may have begun eons before. This way all of that projection might begin to be let go of.
Some thoughts . . .
Agreed. At the first possible instance especially. The only exception I see to this is that if the man created the problem then maybe the woman is complaining because of it, however if he is discerning enough and takes away his arrogance then he can easily see the error in his way and move onto solving the problem.
Agreed.
I have experienced this - I know with good communication that women will happily come straight to the point. I have found when they are not being open it is usually because of something I have done or something they are perceiving I have done.
I do not entirely agree with this however. This to me seems to be a situation that they have been placed into and through influence they tend to maintain that situation. Women however remain one of the biggest mysteries at least in my universe.
Void_X_Zero
Yeah I agree with what you are saying for the most part. What is an example of one of the truths they do not want to know or have to confront? The answer to this may provide some insight into: Why do people sometimes have no desire to listen?
Perhaps someone else might have an idea on this one - I am not really well versed in politics.
Arcturus Descending
I am still interested in your thoughts on:
and
I still owe you my thoughts on:
With what are you disagreeing?
Perhaps for a future thread; a discussion concerning suspicion, blame, fear of judgment, and hyper-defensiveness.
James
Thank you for illuminating this - it seems you are correct.
I am not too certain why I was looking at this in a way I thought different - perhaps mental exhaustion.
So now that I see how we agree here - This to me seems to be a situation that women have been placed into and through influence they tend to maintain that situation. I am wondering how it came to be the case that for the most part women have come to shut themselves off from men. I am thinking that men have given them some sort of reason not to have trust - at least part of that reason. So when a woman talks to a man - social influence dictates to her to proceed with caution. First of all she starts out with innocent inquiry and quickly learns the tricky nature of him.
Like you say: Perhaps for a future thread; a discussion concerning suspicion, blame, fear of judgment, and hyper-defensiveness.
People need to express experience. Talking is one way to do this. It is an externalization of ongoing internal dialog. To say something out loud allows one to hear it, which may sound different than thinking it. To talk to someone, if alternated with listening, allows for feedback and exchange from completely other than oneself.