You are a mystic.
Not a rational person.
Causal relations do not precede events.
Rather, they succeed them.
That’s basically saying that models of reality do not precede sensations.
Rather, they succeed them.
Sensations are precedant.
We can only get so high. Ask anybody who takes drugs. It plateaus after a while.
Certain objects can cause other objects to move (i.e. change their position in space) without there being a contact between them (i.e. there is no bumping.)
For example, when magnets interact with metal, either attracting or repelling it, they do so from a distance.
There is no contact between them.
Of course, what you’re going to say is that this is merely an appearance and that what’s going on behind the scenes is that the magnet is indirectly bumping into the metal.
For example, you might say that the magnet only has an effect – a direct effect – on the adjacent particles that are invisible to the naked eye. When affected, these particles propagate the affect to the adjacent particles which then propagate the affect to particles that are adjacent to them and so on. Eventually, the metal becomes affected, moving either towards or away from the magnet.
Which would miss the point.
My point being that we can perceive causality even when there is no evidence for, and even so much as assumption of, the existence of particles that propagate the effect from the magnet to the metal.
In order to perceive causality it’s enough to observe that every time we place a magnet at a certain distance from a piece of metal, the piece of metal changes its position.
No bumping whatsoever.
The magnet does not bump into the piece of metal, and yet, it changes one of its properties, namely, its position in space.
When your desire is too strong it has no choice but to overpower your perception. This is because perception poses a risk to satiating your desire. What if it turns out that you cannot satiate your desire? What if it turns out that your goal is unrealistic? Well, you would have to give up on it then. But when your desire is too strong, you don’t want to allow that. You don’t want to so much as permit that possibility. So the effort to perceive reality as it is is sidelined and a blind conviction is put in its place.
You guys crave power so much that you’d rather pretend you have it or that you will have it rather than admit that you don’t have it and that you will never have it.
In your case – and by you I mean you and Jakoff and Sauwelios and the rest of the VO crew – this manifests as a quest for an all-encompassing model of reality that will allow you to predict pretty much all of reality.
You are not interested in genuine power.
You are interested in the feeling of power.
Genuine power is acquired over a long period of time spanning multiple generations. It’s a very slow and meticulous process. In other words, it’s acquired bit by bit. You have no patience for this – you don’t want to wait for so long – so you simply end up deluding yourself because there is no other option.
Here’s a challenge for you I am sure you will find boring.
Answer these questions:
- What exactly is a thing?
- Is it perhaps a three-dimensional object? If so, what exactly is a three-dimensional object?
- Is it possible for it to be something simpler? such as two- or even one-dimensional object? If so, what exactly is a two- or one-dimensional object?
- What does it mean for a thing to bump into another thing?
- Does it involve the concept of motion? If so, what exactly is motion?
These are questions that require some effort.
And they are modest.
You won’t become a philosopher-king by answering them.
So perhaps, for you, there isn’t much incentive in answering them.
But I do think they are interesting.
And relevant, since they resolve a lot of confusions.
You may as well ask what a being, or even existence, is.
Just to make sure you know what you’re talking about.
But I am pretty sure you won’t.
Too analytical, too boring, too dry, too exhausting . . .
You are no Dionysian.
You are empty inside, you are hollow.
No real feelings.
No sensations.
Only words.
Empty meaningless words.
Magnetic lines of force do exist. Sorry to spoil your fun.
There is no “spooky action at a distance”, ever. For influence to occur, contact of some sort must occur. This is logic 101.
You are missing the point. Again.
And you will miss it. Again and again.
The point is that we can perceive one thing causing some kind of change in another thing even when we do not perceive a direct or indirect contact between the two of them.
You keep ignoring this point over and over again.
The causal relation between magnets and metals exists regardless of whether there are magnetic lines of force or not.
Reality does not function according to our expectations.
If there is no contact between a cause and an effect then there simply is no contact between them.
You don’t get to decide how reality works.
That’s not logic.
That’s you expecting the world to function according to your expectations.
Fixed sent me this message titled “fragment of traces of intelligence suspected”.
And yet, noone knows what “people value reality in terms of their selfvaluing” means.
What does it mean for someone to “value reality”?
We do not value reality.
We describe it.
To describe reality is to predict that if we do X at some point in time that Y will happen.
We also do not describe reality in terms of our selfvaluing.
Rather, we describe it based on our vantage point (or viewpoint) which is just a name for our personal experience (i.e. our observations from the past) coupled with our way of thinking.
Another PM:
Apparently, I’ve been plagiarizing Jakoff’s phifoolosophy.
The good = love.
Good love = sex
sex = the best.
For people not getting there there is always MagnusJ and his abusecrew who moderate here.
Yech.
women arent weak.
Yes Magnus (not a sockpuppet of MagsJ that I know)
Your whole spiel about desire trumping truthfulness is an adaption of one of the basic aspect of VO. Satur has taken it in 2012, you can check. Your apparent not understanding the terms is either pure falsehood or real stupidity, meaning you did take it from the downdumber Satur.
Vo holds that a entites interpret reality in terms of what is of value to them.
That you think you dont value means only that you have no convictions to respect, your conscious values are all negative.
Subconsciously you always shirk up to me and take, bit by bit, from me what you become aware of as power, which is absolute value.
For the skeptics, look at Magnus’ posting record. He is like Satur a function of his forbidden admiration for me, and literally all his valid logic is stolen from the one he tries to discredit with it - and this too is clarified by said logic.
When i leave here, Magnus will survive only as a proponent of a bastardized VO. He has nothing else to say besides that first bit of vo.
This is how The Good seeps into the Earth and how shit is fertile, I suppose.
In 20 years lets see what they are doing.
I can see that number cause dread in their spine.
How I loathe you thieves and forgers. A type of nonentity that tries to clings to existence only through what i give them.
I tried to avoid vo falling in the wrong hands by keeping it on online forums. Its only a difference in degrees of badness, though.
I have been too generous and yet had no choice in the matter. This is what philosophy is: to be hated by the petty for ones capacity to bear great gifts: to be smeared by the ones that gather around to take ones fruits.
edit - Capable: this is what turned out to be our “Academy” -
a bunch of nay sayers desperately clinging to VO to say yes to themselves by saying no to their source… a lot of pain ahead.
Hence, 20 years. We’ll have to see.
Im saying bye bye to forums - though not before having defined their horizons for the coming decades - we took this as far as it goes.
Do you value your existence
Is that not part of reality
Lastly, I will give my answer to the OPs question: the Good, in this time, is Donald Trump.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYZCtfIPsEQ[/youtube]
He is self-valuing incarnate.
His value is America, his self-valuing is his path to the presidency and what lies beyond; his self-valuing is the self valuing of the global order in which American predominance is secure but not tyrannical; it can after all as a capitalistic nation not thrive when it has to control too many cultural factors abroad. Trump is now showing the capacities and cultures of every state for what they are. Beyond that there can only be a stable order of the Doric type.
A stable order demands stable laws. And so every arrow, even the tiniest needle in the remotest haystack, is pointing north to their philosophy.
They found it fitting to sign off in the royal plural with the Caesaric third person.
Dracones iam procul sunt.
What exactly do you mean when you say “[my] spiel about desire trumping truthfulness”?
I hope you did not misinterpret my words as saying that desire trumps, or that it is better if it trumps, truthfulness.
My point is simply that there is a way of forming descriptions of reality that is based solely on what kind of consequences we desire. That’s what I, and that’s what others, denote by the word subjectivity.
For example, most of us do not want to imagine that there will be a world war in a couple of years. First, because that’s not what we want to happen. And second, because the knowledge of it would rudely motivate us to take some kind of action to prevent it. None of us wants that. But if that’s what evidence (i.e. our personal experience which is just a set of our personal observations) suggests, then that’s the only thing that we can logically conclude. Unless, of course, we settle for a different kind of “logic”, which really is illogic, according to which what’s going to happen is what we want to happen (in our example that would mean no third world war in the future.)
I think this irrational way of thinking is something that is an everyday occurrence that is very easy to observe. Within ourselves as well as within others.
If not, then one can come to know about it through all sorts of sources. Long before they discover you and Satyr. For example, they can hear it from Richard Dawkins. Or they can hear it from their professors. Or Wikipedia. The list goes on.
What exactly am I plagiarising?
First, you have to make a meaningful accusation.
Don’t just come out with a bunch of vague words that can mean pretty much anything.
And then, you have to prove it.
Don’t just declare it.
That’s neither what I said nor something that is true.
I said it just a few moments ago but I’ll say it again.
Some people, it is imaginable, interpret reality in terms of what is of value to them.
Some don’t.
Some people, it is imaginable, think that’s the best way to interpret reality.
Some don’t.
Personally, I don’t interpret reality in terms of what is of value to me.
For example, I do not want to die yet I predict that I will die sometime in the future.
Personally, I think that people who do so, who think that what is true is what is of value to them, are morons because they are confusing thinking with desiring, two entirely separate processes. They have thereby lost the ability to think properly.
Whatever that means.
I am pretty sure it makes you look smart in the eyes of some.
Good job, my friend.
But consciously I think you are severely delusional.
What exactly is there to admire in you?
Show off.
It appears to me that you suffer from the pathological need to be admired (i.e. valued.) Look at yourself. You are convinced that people admire you even when there is no evidence for it.
Less posturing more thinking please.
Gosh, you posture too much.
It’s easy to simply assume you’re right and then work within that premise to find the most logical explanation of why others don’t agree with you. Anyone can do that.
But how many can make an actual effort to prove the premise i.e. that they are right?
How many?
Jakoff certainly not among them.
Right, so Void is Wyld . . .
Makes perfect sense.
Why do you call yourself the “Dorian usurper,” Fixed?
He ran away.
Read Parodides’ posts in this thread and the surrounding context.
beforethelight.forumotion.com/t7 … as-all-law
Example:
It’s obvious that his Cross isn’t as Fixed as he thought it to be and his understanding of the concepts he wields is far diminished. He calls himself The Dorian Usurper because he believes it possible to refer to himself as Doric, for one; for two because he doesn’t understand the politics at the time concerning Greece and whatever he latched onto was some forced perception version and he considers himself, now, within the Universal Mind, a Dorian Usurper based on his lack of knowledge and understanding and perhaps he does have a point to be made in ascertaining that the Doric style at the time was and has been the only one capable of sustainability in the long term, but it’s the same point every other culture and path of life and existence is making and so it falls flat. On top of it would be his own ego taking charge and coming into play, again, with his involvement in the current ongoing universal mind; the mass consciousness and his seeking to steal from someone a throne to instill his viewing of a more correct methodology.
In simple terms, he’s batshit insane and staging a coup in his own mind and calls it usurping. He has literally stolen his own marbles and considered them lost. In terms of ongoing social lingo of saying it’s all just our own self in our own mind, etc., that is; In the way I put it: he’s losing his mind and is undergoing the classic psychological effect of having been broken months ago when I posted a response to him in another thread that bypassed all notions of nice and friendly and stabbed clean through to places better left undescribed in death, darkness, etc.; where I even brought him back from nothing and left him on his own two feet and since then he’s been unraveling.
Classic because it’s comparable to the swordfighting where both fighters seemingly attack each other, one misses entirely somehow and the other cuts clean through the other. Also comparable to the Zantetsuken of Odin with his sword, in conjunction with his Spear, tying him into Wodan, God of the spear in old pagan right opposite Frea the Earth mother. Ties also into Mjollnir and his six-legged horse with a name I forget delivering him both unto Norse and Japanese mythology.
Classic because even that is comparable to the Zeus avatar he holds, a God of Thunder and Lightning, so is Odin upon the wind as death incarnate as Thor holds the hammer he forged for his son; a mastersmith. And this goes on into 5 degrees of existence and reality all the way through christian and catholic values to expose their God as a mastersmith of reality and creation and personality which leads once again to me as it flows through me, master of time and space and eternity and eternal warrior.
Nice and neat little bow-tie; dorian bullshit say what? Synchronizes with exactly what I’m about when it’s right? usurpin nothin? a throne already destroyed, they can has it.
-pats fixed cross on the head-
Life never really got easier save by perception, but at least I have enough to keep me busy for countless eternities. Revenge and murder and creation and music and art and shtuff. Drugsh. Oh, and the mixed flavoring of the fixed cross of plato and zeus, etc. creates a really weak blend.
Illiterate scum.
Fucking hell. Ive been called a lot of things, but no one so far was as insolent and plain dumb as to accuse me of resembling Plato in my thinking.
I have never read a post of yours in my life, I just see you come into my thread and start rambling about what you think the Doric order represents from wikipedia…
Take your rambling somewhere else, cow-boy.
Dude, I think you’re kind of a good guy, so I can only advice you to not get addicted to the trollish ignorance that you are so comfortably slipping into here. Maybe its too late. Just some warnings:
I am the central object of troll activity, have been since 2013 at the very least, and you are about to join the legion… just don’t. Try to get yourself to read my posts before you respond to them, and when you do respond, respond to actual, existing passages, and do so with literal references.