It is not pragmatism and reality which are mutually incompatible but idealism and pragmatism and idealism and reality. For idealism is more likely
to be rooted in reality denial because it sometimes seeks solutions to problems which are unworkable but desirable. While pragmatism is rooted in
what is workable if not necessarily desirable. Pragmatism and reality can therefore never be mutually incompatible. For that is simply not possible
You don’t understand my examples? The ideal was the pragmatism which turned into reality denial in that it wasn’t ideal.
Can that be termed deniable plausibility? [Edit:Oh it’s actually, plausible deniability, but in this case a hierarchy of decisions rather than the hierarchy of an organization, unless there is a better word for this type of playing dumb conduct]
Pragmatism is trying a system to see how workable it is. The only problem is that all systems are hierarchical in nature so naturally benefit those at the top
more than at the bottom. That is why no system is perfect. Therefore the focus has to be on making the favoured one as perfect and egalitarian as possible
No system is truly ideal and so the goal should be to find the one that is the most ideal
I was just commenting on a type of insanity in which the ideal was the pragmatism. Joker is not coming to debate the example he gave me to share.
Every single system that has ever been tried since civilisation began is less than perfect and
this simple truth has to be accepted for there is no such thing as a perfect system in reality
Recently, I dedicated a song to you Surreptitious over in my music thread.
That is very kind of you but seriously I am absolutely fine
So please do not waste mental energy worrying about me
Living as a robot worries me.
I am fine like I said and so you have no reason to worry about me
Control yourself and stop trying to control me, I’ll worry if I so choose. 
Weird.
I thought that you passed away, Wayne.
I think that what we need in this day and age, Wendy, is more [un]common sense…not the usual run-of-the-mill common sense which runs rampant.
There is no common sense…it is dead and has been for the last twenty years.
And so what occurred twenty years ago to cause that to happen
Traditional family values which instructed on the merits and essentials of common sense died when that family structure died, leaving many damaged individuals who perpetuate ideas and behaviors that lack common sense.
Maybe there has been a decline in them but I do not think you can point to a specific period
in time when it began to happen but what exactly do you mean by traditional family values
Without the traditional family structure, a male father and a female mother in an enduring union such as marriage who live under the same roof with their children, traditional values and the virtues bestowed by them such as commitment, perseverance, cooperative partnerships that compliment both the male and female no longer exist…I’m working on this stuff in my Brainstorming thread.
Marriage may not be as popular as it once was but the commitment between a couple is way more important than the type of union they have. Although for legal reasons it is better if a couple are married. However the downside of this is divorce. Whereas if a couple are unmarried then they can separate immediately with
out it costing either time or money. Although not everyone wants to be in a union. Some like myself for example function perfectly fine without a partner and so
have no desire to be with anyone. That should be respected since who anyone wants or does not want to be with is a matter for them. Not for society as a whole