Group pride

That’s a step forward.

How else would you preserve inherent distinctions if not by drawing boundaries using castes?

When people who have different natural inclinations come in contact with each other, they end up suffocating each other. That’s why castes are a must.

Castes don’t force Einsteins to carry garbage. Unless they are grounded in fantasy rather than in reality. And certainly, if you don’t have castes at all, that’s what’s going to happen, you’re gonna have Einsteins carrying the garbage.

It’s a very very very stupid argument. Things are WORSE without castes NOT better.

You have nothing in common with Western ideology, aka most of white people. You are an inspiration hateful idiot.

Ah, you are an idiot and a jackass I see. At any rate, the distinctions aren’t inherent, most abilities are learned, and most people given similar circumstances will produce similar output. You are clinging to this dumbfuck idea that you are a special snowflake just because you are a white honky cracker.

And they ruin steaks.

Which is the ultimate irony, because only black people order a steak well done. Not being racist, just saying, ask anyone who works in a restaurant. Just like Mexicans always want pineapple on a pizza. It would be like viewing Mexicans as inferior, then ordering pineapple pizza. Hilarious.

Autsider…you wouldn’t eat this? If you say no, then you may as well just go eat some stringy overcooked chicken covered in bbq sauce for all I care.


Gotta love how you’re telling me that groups are non-violent while you’re posting pictures of animal meat (which had to be killed and prepared by a group). I love it when other people unwittingly make my case for me.

Keep telling me how groups are non-violent while eating raw, red, bloody meat that was torn from another living organism. I eat meat too, but I don’t try to bullshit others by pretending living organisms can be non-violent.

1 man can kill an animal without being in a group. Sorry man, you’re wrong again.

1 real man at least. In America at least. I dunno about a pansy European “man”. Maybe it takes a whole group of you over there.

Like in the old Robert Redford movie, “Jeremiah Johnson”. That one dude killed a bear with a knife.

If you concede that an individual man can be violent, then you also concede that groups are violent, since they are made up of individual men.

If anything, groups tend to be more violent - they consume more resources, take up more space, and have more capacity for physical destruction. I explained all of this in my thread I linked.

You’ve got nothing and you know it.

You’re making me think of that serf from Monty Python who screams, “can’t you see the violence that’s inherent in the system!”

One man can be, and some groups can be. But that doesn’t entail that all men and all groups are. Duhhhh

You should get an lsat prep book and just keep doing the games section. It can really help you to see how logical arguments are formed, and how common fallacies can be embedded in simple groups of statements.

Like your reading comprehension is decent, and you can write in complete sentences, but you’re having a lot of trouble making what should be a relatively simple argument. I could do it for you, but I disagree with the argument so I’ll just keep doing my side.

You just seem way too caught up in feelings and how things feel and not so much in how things really are. Can’t emotivism your way out of reality man.

Like print out a copy of that "square of opposition"and just tape it up next to your computer.

Like you say, “one man can be, therefore all groups are”.

You see the problem there?

I was trying to talk to someone about necessity vs possibility the other day because they were asking for philosophy and they got pissy and ran off. But I told them, a lot of people have real trouble with that distinction. And here we are…

I stated my argument here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=192770

Still didn’t see you address it.

I’m addressing what you’re saying now. And I did the same in another thread that you abandoned.

I’m not into poetry. I prefer logic and philosophy.

I understand if you don’t want to keep defending your bad logic and philosophy. Its hard. Hell, it’s 5am here. I could just go to sleep.

But you still haven’t even remotely begun to make any sense of the notion that all groups are violent, not with any conventional definitions, nor any sound reasoning. Let alone proving that any ethic or policy should follow from that even if it were somehow granted to be true.

Passion should be the slave of reason. Not the other way around.

Not a special snowflake at all. That’s what your emotions force you to assume. Just interested in reality, that’s all.

You’re a walking and talking and posting contradiction, aren’t ya? You said there are inherent distinctions now you’re saying there aren’t. Next thing is you’re gonna say there are. Then say there aren’t. And so on ad infinitum.

You’re very indignant too. Quite a bit of a victim and a victim sympathizer, aren’t you? Life must be very hard.

Most abilities are learned . . . great stuff. Can a domestic cat learn to be a lion? Or an ape learn to be a human? Why not? You said “most abilities” are learned. Oh, those are not among the most?

You must be a believer in infinites then. Because given “infinite amount of time” which is to say “given sufficient amount of time” anyone can become anything.

But who gives a fuck about that when life is finite?
There are limits to everything. Including limits.

There is such a thing as rate at which a trait is developed and this is different for everyone and it is different for every single trait within a single organism.

You must be very naive to think that anyone can become Usain Bolt given similar circumstances. Usain Bolt must be special, not because of his past (genetics/nature), but because of the circumstances in which he was raised (education/nurture.)

Note that I am not denying the value of nurture. American Africans are better at basketball than African Africans precisely because of better circumstances (because they were enslaved whereas the latter were not lol.) But that does not mean that genetics play no part. Whites can never compete with Blacks in basketball. Nurture can’t change that.