I can only note this: Inherently wrong about what particular human interactions in what particular context?
And, in particular, when they come into conflict over value judgements. Either relating to or not relating to God.
The discussion will either go there or it will not.
And, relating to religion or not, my first reaction when confronting one is to ask “can you cite particular examples of this?”
The particulars of the French Presidential and South Korean Presidential elections.
How would the reactions of individual men and women here not be profoundly embedded in dasein, conflicting goods and political economy?
And I suspect that the narratives of these individuals will be embedded in turn in all manner of conflicting renditions of God/No God.
Regarding this thread, who are the simple people and who are the [over] educated folks pertaining to the relationship between particular behaviors on this side of the grave and a perceived fate on the other side? And out in what particular corrals?
Visit a church during service on Sunday … the distinctions are obvious … especially when observing behavior upon completion of the service.
Again, there are any number of folks attending any number of church services – religious corrals – who will embrace completely conflicting and contradictory sets of behaviors that they insist will be the price of admission on Judgment Day.
How on earth then is this pertinent to the point that I raise, if not basically to reinforce it all the more?
Can you provide examples from your own life?
About 25 years ago I was pushed … shoved … forced … off the “grid” … out of the corral. My exit was neither planned, voluntary, desirable, expected etc etc. Despite several later attempts to get back in the corral then existing circumstances prevailed and I remained on the outside … alone!
For the first 14 years or so I limped along on the crutches of faith … the RC flavor. About 11 years ago the crutches were knocked out from under me … I found myself in China with no church … no public RC rituals … including Christmas and Easter … and no RC community to hide among.
Begs the question … “Has my faith diminished?”
On the contrary … my RC faith has become even stronger … seems the dogma, doctrine, rituals and corral were all a hindrance to faith.
In the absence of the “decorations of faith” I’ve been able to transcend the “walls” of the RC religion and come to understand there is no contradiction between the (un)institutional religion (faith) of the Chinese people and other world religions.
Yes, this is a reflection of the particular existential trajectory that your life took. You were embedded in a unique set of experiences and relationships that none of us here is ever likely to have a true understanding of.
What then could we really know about the things that predisposed you to go in one particular direction rather than another? What could you know about ours?
And none of us can possibly fathom what we might be predisposed to instead had those experiences [choices] been very different.
My point then is this:
Over the course of human history there have been thousands upon thousands of human cummunities invested in thousands upon thousands of religious narratives regarding that crucial relationship between before and after the grave.
But here we are, you and I, having had own own unique agglomeration of experiences, of interactions. We both know that death is galloping towards us and our thoughts will necessarily revolve around the question of “what then”?
This: You have your assumptions, I have mine.
My point then is this: that seems to be about as far as it goes. It’s all profoundly subjective/subjunctive in that no one is able to actually establish what does in fact happen then. But, in the interim, we are still ever embedded in these ghastly confrontations that revolve around conflicting goods. Around conflicting Gods. Around conflicting renditions of the same God.
Bottom line: As with Phyllo and others, you are able to sustain a frame of mind that [up to a point] comforts and consoles you; I am not.
And then this:
And, again, given that there is so much at stake – immortality, salvation, divine justice – that which is being offered by the believers either revolves around faith [more or less blind] or arguments that, while embraced “in their head” as true, are not able to be demonstrated as that which all reasonable men and women are obligated to believe in turn.
We don’t know … science can’t tell us … that there is anything at stake … we have no way of knowing that all persons will end up in the same place.
That’s what you are left with. The rest would seem to revolve around one or another Kierkegaardian leap of faith…or one or another Pascalian wager.