Is belief in a creator a sign of weakness?

I can tell you. It would have been impossible for our reality to be created without it first existing. It could not exist until it was created and it all happened relatively and seemingly simultaneously, from the inside-out and from the outside-in. The spark of creation that set it all in motion held all accumulative data from existence and shunted it back to its very beginning, causing it’s very beginning and thus knowing of its ending before it ever got started. Reality does impossible shit. I could explain how our imaginative processes of trying to figure it all out is what added energy in a gravity well of spirit matter, compressing it into the first particle of actual matter; how those particles became the core of a lot of beings, even what drew huge rocks to pummel them into planetary beings, a part of a celestial consciousness; I could tell you a lot of the give and take of nature and the side realities/alternate; the underlayers and overlayers of reality, divergence to the point of it cancelling itself out for having mapped out every single possibility, every single route until it just became repeats of patterns and cycles.

It does anything BUT boggle the mind. It makes sense at the point you realize that the universe was spurred into motion by the sheer potential of what it would be like if it existed. Its future causing its own birth. In all ways, all direction, stupid asses. Keep looking, it’s the same in every direction.

Some Guy in History,

Had to actually google it. No, I never did either.

Always to tell the truth, no matter what? No need to ever be discreet? To hold back?
Is that such virtue to you? Is that a good survival instinct?

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lol I don’t think that you have learned that as of yet. You’re far removed from it. :mrgreen:

the fact that you are so quick to ask questions like that; and it is questions like that that do get the negative response; is the same fact that says I shouldn’t even need to or have to answer them. If you’re going to pretend to be the idiot, know that we’ve changed how to treat your specific brand of idiocy.

Really? I wasn’t so quick to ask those questions. But I wonder why you can’t answer them. Or are all of your answers absolute and infallible?

They’re what I call ‘stupid’ questions, because they’re meant to trap people up in the maze of manipulative psychology to make them dance in pitiful fashion for the amusement of others. The fact of the matter is, I had to undergo it enough to overcome it and learn the strength to bypass it to go for the throat.

The ones that came before you made it personal on levels you don’t fully understand. But, eternity is a long time and today is a long day, it was here yesterday and will be here again tomorrow. I bet you I can make you love me in ways that you would be certain that you hated me for.

It would be fun to watch that one. :sunglasses:

Yeah, you would think so until I dragged those who wanted to watch the depravity and get their kicks out of it into the arena and forced them to fight. Forced displeasure on them in so many ways until they hated me and loved me for it.

By the way, Remember when I didn’t take you as a serious threat and actually tried getting your back only for you to come back at me and try to fight me for it?

Yeah. You’re THAT stupid.

No, although I had considered that in reverse. I suspect that you again presuming that negativity, deluding yourself into making enemies that never were there … until you decided to “fight back” against your imagined opponent.

And as you said: “Yeah. You’re THAT stupid.”

Some Guy in History

Did you notice the “I” there? That is your own subjective thinking. They would not be a stupid question for many or at least for some. I was trying to have a legitimate discussion with you. I was NOT trying to trap you or anyone.

There are cases where a lie called a little white lie is more appropriate to spare a person’s feelings, one who is vulnerable and needs more affirmation than condemnation; where telling a whopper of a lie to survive would be highly intelligent and practical. The examples can be legion.

The way I look at it to tell the truth with no discretion, forethought or compassion is simply arrogant and egoistical unless one can do it with such finesse that there would be no losing facing for the other.
Sometimes taking a virtue too far becomes a vice. You may think that my perspectives are idiotic. Mine come from my mind and experience and yours come from yours.

I understand this but do you usually back off? Can you say in all honestly that you do not do the same to others in here?

You haven’t OVERCOME anything if you find yourself “going for the throat”.

These were your words:

All those who don’t want to work, don’t want to fix themselves, don’t want to even try because it’s so much easier being broken and not having to do a damn thing.

We really do have to challenge ourselves at times, don’t we? It can be painful and exhausting but how do we give birth to a dancing star (N) if we never try…

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You are assuming that there is such a thing as eternity? We can’t actually know this - at least I cannot.

I doubt that very much lol but thank you for the fair warning.
This is where much reflection and contemplation and cognitive thinking come in.
If someone says something like this to a person, don’t you think that it gives one pause to hesitate? After all, a stitch in time saves nine, so to speak. Why begin the journey into love when it will only lead to hate? No great percentage in that.
My question to you would be: Why would you even say that to me or any other woman?
You’re a very intelligent man. Your words and your poetry are beautiful and awesome at times but on the other hand you realize that you need to grow, WORK HARDER, in the realm of becoming more emotionally intelligent - AS WE ALL DO.

There are such things as stupid questions. The ones you ask are stupid questions because they’re not designed for the furthering of answers but for the tearing down of the recipient of those questions who then might try their best to answer them only to be hemmed up and beaten down by verbal fighters such as yourself.

I literally have the accumulative experience of over 15 years of fighting people just like you and the amount of them is beyond count. You are nothing new under the sun. Others of your kind of verbal fighting have claimed to have fought many like me and yet each in turn has been proven to be a liar. And, you all fall at the same points when your tricks are seen through. The evidence that I am a rarity in comparison to people like you is the fact that I HAVE fought so many just like you. You yourself have witnessed in part if not in full some of my fights here with others. And yet, you still took a stab at it.

I have only returned fire here. I have poked holes in peoples theories at times; at other times I have insulted them, yes; but mostly based on how they laid their theories which showed the attitude and mindset of themselves in negative fashion. They were worthy of being insulted and they proved it when they dropped all reasoning and only with insult did give back. I, in turn, at the least, gave them shit to grow with beyond the constraints that I found them in. The proof in it is that we grow all together in the mind and they are limited when approaching me in physicality without respect and without apology; without admitting that they were wrong; to continuing the fight. This is why you see people like Laughing Man, Hahaha, simply walk away. Zoot Allures, Mr Reasonable, Trixie, Carleas even stepped into the ring but for a moment to realize where it was going to go and backed out of it, and still here you are.

In the mind we grow, but each in turn devolves to craven animal in terms of fighting me in this way, the same old verbal manipulations and machinations, the twisting around, the spinning it to make me look bad to avoid the obvious factor that you are the one; ones; that look bad. And, since I am seemingly outnumbered while you all do what you do, I look like the odd one out and yet I do hold treasured gold; I do hold in my tragic existence what so many of you need. And, this is me going for your throat as peacefully as possible. I have quite literally caused aneurysms in people, blood vessels to pop in their heads; given them heart attacks, caused molecules to explode causing sharp pains in toes, legs, random parts of the body. I have, without such mental powers, pushed people to commit suicide.

Regardless of your casing of flesh, regardless of gender, regardless of age; if you’re going to step to the mental plate like a heavyweight and throw haymakers that are vastly dangerous, you will be dealt with. Do you think it’s just random when a parent ‘abuses’ a baby to the point of its death? Do you think it craven of a man to beat a woman to within an inch of her life when she’s pushing buttons? Even in spiritual possession when the person themselves don’t even know the spirit that is fucking with them both, and the person they’re pushing the buttons of, lashes out on them and kills them, they are unluckily in the moment when the lashing out occurred and that creates a mass network of afterlife existences carrying our tragedies wherever we go.

At what point do you think you being a woman means a damn thing to me at all? You have thrown down and ended it in insult; a sharpened thorn underneath the ‘beauty’ and seen all too easily. I’ve pricked myself on those thorns before. Let me show you some new ones that you’ve been pricking yourself on for a while now. They’re poisonous beyond belief and I pack them into every response that I give to responses and attacks like yours. The accumulative damage to you is already greater than you realize.

You, like so many others, come at me with wartime activities; war games. Peace is a motherfucker. A savage beast. It has perfected what all war wishes it could perfect. I think you need to rethink your approach to this before I completely obliterate every bit of who you are, whether male or female, liar or truth-teller. You say I need to become more emotionally intelligent, but the fact is that I’m already far beyond those that think like you. Do you think that I would use such tactics as you do? I find them distasteful. My tactics are fully fleshed versions of them because they are RIGHTEOUS. Not self-righteous, but actually righteous; and that’s something that you and so many others know absolutely nothing about.

I think you all need to learn.

Okay, I’ll bite.

How would you have responded to yourself had you been responding to your own words and not me. These words…

You seem to feel that my response was idiotic and had no validity or legitimacy to them. I disagree with what you said…but give me something to think about. My aim is to learn.

So pretend that you are me lol and respond to your words.

No, don’t pretend that you are me.

Pretend that your words came from me and respond in the way in which you would.
Enlightenment me.
Again, give me something to think about. Point out my philosophical errors, my delivery…et cetera.

sorry, but that’s a hypothetical situation without a good answer. It’s like asking how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop.

The world will never know because that’s not how it played out.

If you refuse to learn what I teach, then what more could I ever do to teach you any damn thing? At that point, you as a student fail yourself AND your teacher by refusing to learn and then furthermore by learning the wrong things for your own self gain, seeing the right, but refusing to admit it and the truth of it is written in your every action; you can’t be so blind as not to see it. It is so obvious. And when the student fails them self in such a manner, they no longer have any right at all to blame or fault the teacher.

Some Guy in History

I don’t think that the tootsie roll pop is a very good analogy. I was simply asking you how YOU would respond to your own statement. The former is random, the latter can be more concrete though not absolute.

I am sure that there are many books at least some that are entitled "The hypothesis of this or the hypothesis of that. For instance, the Hypothesis of Happiness. There could actually be a great number of “good answers” and discussions brought about by these books though perhaps nothing definitive. But is philosophy actually about the definitive.
I was simply asking you how you would choose to respond to your response.

But I don’t think that any good teacher simply gives the lesson…utters words. He/she also explains why they feel that way and they give examples of it.

At this point, I am questioning WHAT IT IS that you believe you have taught me. Constructive criticism itself does have a focal point to it, doesn’t it? and yours was not so constructive at the start. :evilfun:

You pointed out to me that my response shuts down further discussion (paraphrasing of course). You haven’t shown me HOW or WHY and I personally still think that there could be responses to what I said.

You can’t point that out to me unless you point out to me the error of my ways, at least from your point of view.

How difficult can it be for you to show me what you feel I “ought to” have said? considering what you did say. You must have had an “ought” in there somewhere.

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Oh, I don’t think in terms of my having failed myself. On the contrary, I was inquisitive and was asking WHY. I was looking for clarification or insight.
I was looking for your “more concrete” point of view ~~ how YOU might have answered your statement. I know that I’m getting redundant here. :mrgreen:

The student may blame the teacher if the teacher does not follow through on the right kind of instructions and if the teacher is not so clear.
The student may blame himself if he doesn’t ask questions. But what is he to do if the teacher is such an absolutist. He is doomed to fail.

I don’t presume to know any specific thing I’ve taught you in terms of what you’ve made applicable to your own life, but I can tell you a decent list of possible things I’ve taught you along with everyone else here since I began posting on these boards based on the possibility of the things you read that I posited or posted and since I can’t claim to know specifics there, yet again, it becomes so much a matter that you’ve gained something from it all, otherwise why the continued interaction?

There are too many different ways to teach beyond what we are taught of teachers and teaching as we look around us, so what I’m mostly teaching is ‘perspectivism’ and changing perceptions to embrace and look through various perceptions and perspectives; to enjoy an experience as a new experience if you can’t enjoy it for what it might be and try to find the catalyst in every action and reaction instead of just the bad and the good and to see it as a jumping stone to the next step. I teach how to turn victims and products of their environment into survivors and crafters of their environment.

I teach everything. What you learn is up to you and whatever else gives you a choice or not and depending on your own personal experiences and perspectives, you see things I don’t and see things others don’t and those others see things we don’t and for all of the close-mouthed nature of the group for all the skeletons in the closet and the verbal hurdles to avoid do avoid the greater risk to run that gauntlet, and yet somehow it’s all coming together through twisted and untwisted routes. I find that my unintentional self-centered perception makes it impossible to truly grasp 100% of the time what others experience their 100% of the time while I’m moving on and memories of my past are just that, memories. Am I capable of sympathy in one given moment only to seem cold when I can’t seem to muster it at another? Does that sound emotional; it shouldn’t.

Things fuck with things for the sake of drama and entertainment; so I teach how to give a better entertainment in the process. And, it’s the same entertainment, I’m just the host of hosts and the centerstage centerpiece, jester in clown-suit complete.

We’re all mad here.

What more is there to be said? Let’s say it. Let’s hash it all out again and again; let’s fight in ever-increasing circles of the same old thing as we push beyond the set patterns. Mixed martial arts of the mind and soul, all of existence, all of creation, all of art from the art of art to the art of war, from crafting buildings to crafting blueprints of destruction, tools of surgery become the implements of torture. What experiences are you missing? By the time your lives are over, you’ll experience a lot, no doubt. All I’m saying is that I paid attention to that; that is my thing, what I notice; close enough to the skin to throw you off. Choice or no choice, to see what goes on in others minds without even trying, just by reading body language and understanding it. And, isn’t it funny that that same body language is just a huge amount of tiny things moving and calling out what’s going on? It’s interesting to think that this goes on all over and yet so many don’t see it simply because their own self and their own manipulations get in the way. They see the twisted version of things and thus can’t truly imagine a conversation with someone beyond the need for the insecurities of ego, pride and vanity to the degree where they become what religions know of as ‘sin’. The duality of everything must dictate that there is a healthy version of these things, a right way to exercise them. And nobody is truly expecting others to be perfect, that’s ridiculous. They’re shell-shocked by their own experiences, ptsd, victims of trauma and avoiding the truth. And then the truth is that healed of that, there’s still the eternal war and song and dance constantly and continuously shifting and turning and we all have to get back up and fight again, that this is what we do, that this is not just how it’s done, not just cycles and patterns, but psychology, true and tried; tested emotion to logical limits and beyond only to understand a complexity of psychology on a mass-consciousness level.

And, beyond teaching, this is the war I’ve been fighting; my charlie foxtrot that others step into; my battlefield. Finding the order in what others would call chaos and knowing it for what it is as I walk through it, every second of my life with one of my mental eyes caught eternally in a staring contest with death, another on life itself, staring it dead in the eye and getting back up even when I don’t feel like it and by the end of every day, get back in swing. And if that sounds like something so simple that everyone does it, imagine drowning in what everyone else thought was a shallow pond that in your own perception was the vastest of oceans and that such a simple thing for so many others has been somes most epic victory of a truly epic fight. And, if that shit puts others to shame, not a damn thing I can do about it and isn’t that just teaching others if they get past the envy and jealousy? Hit’em a couple times until they work properly?

Months ago, I wrote “Shadows On The Wall”. I was standing outside of my workplace and I noticed a weather beaten wall. On the wall, I “saw” the image of a man with his arms held out invitingly. God spoke to me for the world, as he often does. The human and many other species who interact with humans have brains that are hotwired to pick out the face from the rest of the body. For humans that aids in socialization. The chest, arms and legs do most of the movement, yet babies look for the person’s face. When humans look at a conglomerate image, the first instinct is to make it into a face if at all reasonable. I can make a conglomerate of dots, and a human will see a face if a face is anything near reasonable.
The children of god are hotwired to see God’s movement in what the earthly man sees as chance and coincidence. I am desperate and someone comes and gives me 5$ or I find it. Earthly man discounts that activity as chance or coincidence. The children of God see God. The earthly man is missing a faculty like vision or hearing. He cannot see the God that is so obvious to me.

Silentsage
March 2017

Look for John Walker on Facebook. On Facebook, John Walker is the picture of a black man in a martial arts pose. If your nature is to seek the truth, God has given me answers to questions people and Christians do not think to ask

Some Guy in History

Ah, okay. I was more zoned in on the above post where you did not answer my question of how you would have answered your own question. I didn’t realize that you were speaking of everything that you have posted ~ that i might have gained knowledge from.

I may be wrong here but I tend to think of myself as a perspectivist or at least I try. I like to see different perspectives but I also realize that I have some biases. I realize that the more information or light that is shed on a subject the better equipped we can be to form legitimate thoughts or opinions.

Maybe I’m not understanding you here but for me that would depend on what the new experience is as not all experiences are enjoyable ones, right? As for the second half of that, I tend to agree. That would be called living in the present moment without having expectations either way. As humans, that is not such an easy thing to do but it is a more reasonable thing to do and it can be more fun since we’re not falling into the trap of complicating the joyful experience with future expectations. If that made sense.

The catalyst or the “trigger”. We have formed and unconscious patterns so I can agree with this. This is where honest reflection without pre-judgment comes in ~ just observations. If we can see “what brought us to this place” we can avoid the mistake next time around, hopefully.

What would be your first step in doing this? I’m not being facetious here.

I think that sometimes what people tend to learn is what they intuit has been somewhere waiting in the wings - what they are ready to learn but that’s just my perception.

Exactly. We all see with different eyes of perception depending on where we have come from. This is where the difficulty comes in when we don’t try to rise above our “own” seeing into realizing that we are products of our own environment and changing that. It’s not so easy letting go of beliefs and our old ways of thinking.

No one can grasp 100% of the time of everything or even close to that. I don’t think that we are capable of experiencing what others have experienced unless “we ourselves have been there”. But there is such a thing as trying to understand… or in a sense “going under” where we ourselves stand in order to see more.

It hardly sounds emotional to me. It’s just a question seeking an answer though there are some questions which can lead us down an emotional path. Being human, that can’t be avoided. But if we’re looking for honest answers or resolutions, the emotional part is less than the part seeking the real answers or resolutions though there may not be answers.

I read both of these. Much room for thought there. Thank you.

I think that Kierkegaard and “Fyodor” would greatly enjoy you.

I was conceived in the womb. My literal first step.

Recently approved post.

Figuratively speaking, that wouldn’t be Your first step ~ it would have been your parents’ first step. :evilfun:

Anyway, I didn’t expect you to go back that far.

I woudn’t tell you how to go about it BUT don’t you think that perhaps the very first step would be in changing their perception that they are “victims”? Insofar as we are "products of our own environment, we can acknowledge that this is true BUT at the same time, we can transform and enhance ourselves, no?

But you did use the term “survivors” and “craftors” so perhaps I spoke too soon.