Paganism

Jesus just seems like a more recent reference to the previous sun gods…

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That Jesus character hasn’t penetrated my mind as much as it as with you it seems, perhaps you grew up in a very religious household. However, my school system did try to force it upon me and make me pray every morning during assembly, but somehow it just didn’t work, i was immune to it…

Personally, i don’t really care about all that Christian stuff, i’m more interested in what came before it…that’s what i’m trying to figure out…

Nope! not me.

The closest I ever heard my dad pray was the day he said … “Hail Mary, full of grace … wash your hands before your face”

Don’t misunderstand me … in his actions he was often more ‘Catholic’ than my Catholic mom.

You are so lucky … perhaps you were born with an immunity to the virus!

A vexing statement! … yet … I think we are on the same page. For me, the genealogy of a religion is just as important as the genealogy of a person. You can’t know one without the other … they are inextricably linked.

My first thoughts on the genealogy of Christianity are:

  1. The ancient city of Ur where apparently child sacrifice was an acceptable part of culture.

  2. Sun worship from Egypt … Egypt is too conveniently woven into the fabric of the Jesus story to ignore it.

Again … don’t get me wrong … if I’m right … the above elements were inserted into the true story… and the ‘hybrid’ story has come down to us.

Are we still on the same page?

The school was a Christian school, my neighborhood was very islamic, and there was also Jews nearby.

Christians saying Jesus was God, Muslims saying he was only a Prophet and the Jews saying he was neither…

I grew bored of this reoccurring circumstance, it seemed very trivial to me, like kids arguing over stickers… it made it very easy for me to dismiss it at that point…

I figured they wouldn’t know about any of these things had they not been told them or raised to identify themselves with them…Although i do enjoy watching them from my window, placing everything into understanding where the information is presented…

This is what paganism is to me, some kind of natural world where i feel automatically connected to everything, there is this inspiration, words become real in reference to reality, clarity shines through…like you wake up to yourself…

Those religions make it very easy to dismiss reality by defaulting to a scripture, rather than a sense of self, the scriptures define words which has no relation to reality, there are jews nearby, close proximity to me, my self where reality becomes a discussion between my essence/survival in relation to the environment, the scriptures certainly blinds them from seeing me in my nature, but they are told something that being a believer is becoming the book, human books are walking, pages are thinking, not thinking, but being thought of in imitation and projection, occupying the mind.

Brilliant post Manni !!

Manni … hate is an obstacle to enlightenment.

Who would intentionally want to constipate their consciousness?

If you are sincerely interested in Paganism you should study the evolution of the Judaic/Christian/Islam … the answers are all there … some exquisitely camouflaged.

Manni … if you are interested in a short cut … read this book

“The Classic of the Dao … A New Investigation” by Wang Keping

Will check it out

Why would you recommend me that book?

manni … self discovery is a personal journey … ingesting the thoughts/intuitions/experiences of an “other” would put us in the same category as the children in your neighborhood as a child.

OTH … thoughts/intuitions that are confirmed by personal experience are not only helpful … they encourage us to continue on our personal journey of self discovery.

you mentioned several times your preference for a “nature” based world view. The thoughts/philosophy in the Dao De Jing are almost entirely “nature” based.

The Dao De Jing is a short poem … about 5,000 Chinese characters … written about 2,500 years ago … yet … IMO the thoughts expressed in the poem owe their genesis to a much earlier period … perhaps as much as 5,000 years ago (from today)

Some say the book is the most read book after the Bible … translated into many languages … and interpretation/commentary for more than 2,300 years.

People are still arguing over interpretation especially in light of recent archeological discoveries.

The book is a rare opportunity for English speaking people to get a peek into an “alien” perspective.

I personally have read the book 15-20 times … each time expanding my comprehension … I personally found so many parallels between the stuff expressed in the poem and the Judaic/Christian/Islam faith stories.

Manni … have you read this? … from Wiki on the author of the book … seems like decent credentials

Satan isn’t evil. He is just a beast with needs.

God is evil. Satan is a metaphor of the Noble angel who rebelled against a tyrant. You can’t tell me God is not evil, God is evil. God is a metaphor for the folks in elysium, hipsters, yuppies, high heeled angels who live in the clouds, who don’t care about the male misery below. Nobody wants to understand or hear the male damnation, they just plug into their iphones, eat their butchered arby beefsteak and just don’t care. God sits in his throne like a high heeled lady, who could care less about the hell and damnation of all her dumped exes.

Richard Dawkins once said if God exists then the first question I will ask is " why so distant?"

Transexualism, is a metaphor for Satan to reunited with the angels once again. Transexualism is hated, because all the imps in hell want Satan to stay and suffer with them, they don’t want him to sell out and make peace with the divas above. It’s almost perceived as a treason. Thus, jokers are formed…half angel half demon.

Transsexualism is bullshit hahahaha
do you think you can get a baby if you cut your dick off?? Hahahah
so disappointing, it must be, to find out that you’ve only destroyed your sex.

I know some girl who is having her pussy sowed shut, a meatstick sowed on. What, now she is a man?

Male damnation is what’s bullshit.

The kind of transexualism I advocate is futa lesbians. Futas have penises, there is no “dick cutting off” involved.

If you say so.

one needs a penis or vulva to be pagan. Magic is sex.

Manni … if I understood some of your comments correctly … you certainly know the answer to Dawkins’ question … St Augustine said it rather eloquently … paraphrasing … God speaks to us through his creation … nature is part of his creation … what does the beauty of a rose in bloom speak to you … how distant is the sight/fragrance.

The God Dawkins is talking about is the man-made God … the old man with the long white hair and the long white beard … residing somewhere up in the sky.

Suppose that’s why I can empathize with your preference for a “nature” based world view.

What intention(s) does the term “Self Discovery” attempt to convey?

Two simple enough words yet an incredibly complex notion … with much of the complexity suffocated in the dust of obfuscation created by those who attempt to place the definition in a box … to wrap it tightly in chains and so on.

A True Seeker … and the word “seeker” is not alien to Paganism … gets lots of help along the way … the journey … destination … ultimate self discovery.

Much of this “help” appears garbed in the vestments of pain, crisis, frustration, anger, impatience and so on … a rather long list.

Yet in the end … the True Seeker … must discover … for himself/herself … by himself/herself … his/her self. All other discovery(s) is an illusion … worthless … meaningless.

Let me try with an example … from nature!

An erupting volcano is impartial … before inflicting it’s destruction on all things/beings in it’s path … in all 6 directions (up and down included)it takes no notice of ‘goodness’ or ‘badness’ … it simply erupts.

People are walking volcanoes … we suppress so much shit … and one day the cork pops … the volcano inside of us erupts.

Most of the time we may not even see it coming … no time to consider who/what is in the path of destruction … simply explode.

Those people in the ‘path’ of such destruction often misunderstand the circumstances … eg they take the eruption as a personal offense.

Those people who can ‘see’ … and they are few … look for the silver lining in the cloud of dust … they ask the question … where is the blessing/good fortune for me in this crisis?