Wendy … there is some thang bout ya that folks gotta luv … you manage to inject a delightful sense of humour into an immensely serious issue. kudos to you! =D>
In a previous post I wrote … the 'god" of science is malleable"
I probably should explain my meaning …
True Science is not malleable … man’s science is malleable … ergo … as man increases his knowledge of True Science he revises his story.
Paraphrasing … True Science is “Immutable”.
Some religious/spiritual people argue that God is “Immutable”.
Using the science of mathematics … if A=B and B=C … than A=C
Et Voila … the fusion of True Science and God.
Now if only we could get the man of philosophy to join the same party … something exciting could really begin to happen.
What you describe is the limitation of human knowledge. As one discovers more, one gets closer to “what actually is”. But that’s true of all human knowledge … history, philosophy, economics, etc.
Then they are wrong. Knowledge of God is just as limited as scientific knowledge. Therefore, God is “malleable” in exactly the same sense as “the ‘god’ of science”. Sure, there is a “True God” out there, but humans don’t know that True God.
Agreed … yet wouldn’t it be nice if Science, Philosophy and Religion could converge … all else is subordinate to these three (insert here).
Agreed … yet wouldn’t it be nice to “know”. Sure it may take another million years … than again a tsunami change in human consciousness could happen any day now … as a result of one of those gravitational waves.
Within the ILP audience … at least most of the ILP audience … the notion of “spirit as substance” is gobbly gook.
Yet within the larger community … across time and space … there are countless individuals … in all cultures and geographies … that testify … by their life or by their words … that spirit is substance … spirit is omnipresent … Spirit is God.
I don’t ‘see’ convergence of Science Philosophy and Religion leading to a homogenous, dull, bland lifestyle/culture.
Awesome edifices are built on a single foundation … eg Taj Mahal
With Science Religion and Philosophy interwoven on a single foundation the potential outcomes are unbelievably awesome.
the substance of spirit is undefinable … it’s very essence defies definition … to “name” something … to “define” something … is to put it in a box … to put it in chains … obviously “Spirit” will not allow such an outcome.
That explains why science, philosophy and religion won’t converge. Science and philosophy can’t work with undefinable concepts. Science can’t work with unmeasurable concepts.
Science only investigates observable phenomena while religion makes claims which can
not be subject to potential falsification and that is why they are mutually incompatible
OK … is quantum science currently struggling with observable phenomena?
OK … though your comment does not seem to render religious claims absolutely false … only that religious claims cannot be subject to potential falsification.
Perhaps more accurately … you agree with what he wrote.
Frankly … I’m astonished at how much ‘stuff’ has been posted recently that echoes Teilhard’s thoughts/opinions … detailed in his book “Philosophy of Man” … in both the philosophy forum and this forum.
I’m not aware of anyone in ILP that has actually read his book … I’ve only read the intro … preface … and a few pages.