The Phenomenon of Man ... Wo-man

I’ve written many times … words in and of themselves are impotent.

Readers … be vigilant … you may feel someone tapping you on your left shoulder … someone who wants to give you an experience of agape love … an experience involving God. :slight_smile:

Show me.

Science Forum

But first, prepare and read up on Maxwell’s Demon (1867).

Good thing that Jesus was a bit more verbose. :evilfun:

Organizations attract people with authoritarian personalities. That’s not going to change.

Really?

2,000 years of the “ping pong” of verbosity has literally killed the story of Jesus. Simple fatigue and frustration … the absence of a clear and credible critical mass to the story … seems to have driven the most pious of believers away.

What is the alternative?

Silence!

In todays’ world silence is about as attractive as a shit sandwich for lunch.

Well yeah! … like flies to shit!

Probably explains why the Hebrews are still waiting for a “messiah” … they have always expected an “authoritarian personality” … seems to be a natural outcome of patriarchal society(s).

The one thang that is absolutely certain … beyond the shadow of doubt … universal … is “change”.

Yet … that reality provides no assurance … one way or the other … that the change you mentioned will remain cast in stone.

Ever heard of domineering mothers?

What? You think that even Jesus should have kept his mouth shut? :open_mouth:

Hardly!

I would like to ‘know’ what Jesus said … unfortunately His words are suffocated in obfuscation across time and space.

While my comments may seem pejorative … my intention is the opposite.

All that has transpired is part of the puzzle.

The ‘god’ of science hasn’t done much better … seems science is as malleable as religious doctrine/dogma.

  1. Newtonian laws of gravity are being challenged today.

  2. JSS claims the second law of thermodynamics has been refuted.

  3. Hawkins flip flopping on his black hole theory(s) in the past 10 years or so.

Don’t worry.

If the sky is falling, you can still use Newtonian mechanics to calculate when it will hit you. Newtons laws are suitable for 99.9% of the problems that you will encounter on Earth.

Engineers will still calculate entropy, in spite of what James says.

I can’t believe that theories of black holes carry that much weight.

It’s the 0.1 % that may do us all in. :laughing:

That’s my point … the man of science extrapolates on “what he knows” far beyond “what he knows”

The man of religion/spirituality extrapolates on “what he knows” far beyond “what he knows”

Spiritualist: Spirit is substance … though invisible.

Scientist: Provide me with a flask filled with spirit … I will examine it through the prism of known science and share my
results.

Spiritualist: Spirit can not be harnessed … therefore I can not provide you with a flask full of spirit.

Scientist: Awe! … then the conclusion is simple … spirit does not exist. Furthermore, since God is spirit … God does not exist.

Place your bets folks. :laughing:

I’ll bet all of humanity on God for a gazillion in Spanish Galleon gold coins. Hey, I’m part Jew. :evilfun:

Wendy … there is some thang bout ya that folks gotta luv … you manage to inject a delightful sense of humour into an immensely serious issue. kudos to you! =D>

In a previous post I wrote … the 'god" of science is malleable"

I probably should explain my meaning …

True Science is not malleable … man’s science is malleable … ergo … as man increases his knowledge of True Science he revises his story.

Paraphrasing … True Science is “Immutable”.

Some religious/spiritual people argue that God is “Immutable”.

Using the science of mathematics … if A=B and B=C … than A=C

Et Voila … the fusion of True Science and God.

Now if only we could get the man of philosophy to join the same party … something exciting could really begin to happen. :smiley:

I’ll check it out. 1867 eh?

What you describe is the limitation of human knowledge. As one discovers more, one gets closer to “what actually is”. But that’s true of all human knowledge … history, philosophy, economics, etc.

Then they are wrong. Knowledge of God is just as limited as scientific knowledge. Therefore, God is “malleable” in exactly the same sense as “the ‘god’ of science”. Sure, there is a “True God” out there, but humans don’t know that True God.

If spirit is substance, then where is this substance?

If spirit is substance, then why can’t it be “grabbed” or harnessed?

Energy is not substance but one can see it in the motion of physical objects. Can one see the workings of spirit in any consistent way?

Good morning Phyllo

Agreed … yet wouldn’t it be nice if Science, Philosophy and Religion could converge … all else is subordinate to these three (insert here).

Agreed … yet wouldn’t it be nice to “know”. Sure it may take another million years … than again a tsunami change in human consciousness could happen any day now … as a result of one of those gravitational waves. :slight_smile:

Within the ILP audience … at least most of the ILP audience … the notion of “spirit as substance” is gobbly gook.

Yet within the larger community … across time and space … there are countless individuals … in all cultures and geographies … that testify … by their life or by their words … that spirit is substance … spirit is omnipresent … Spirit is God.