Pan, you seem to be caught up in the excuse making of a specific set of people who desperately tried to defend their preference of prophecy and belief. But if you want to discuss the real story, it is best to do so on the science forum. For example, the Second “Law” of Thermodynamics has been proven wrong for over a century, despite the many attempts to rewrite it to make it seem correct. The most correct rewrite stated that it is merely a propensity, not a law, which would be true. And as black holes crush, disintegrate, and absorb entire galaxies, some radiation escapes. Black holes do not decrease in size or mass. They are run away gravitation, cosmic vacuum cleaners spraying a little refuse dust in their wake.
You changed the question but did not provide an answer.
The weather people can’t even accurately predict the weather two weeks from now. What can you/we forecast? And what does it all have to do with complexity?
Phyllo … I shared some thoughts that popped into my consciousness … triggered at least in part by Pan’s comments concerning the scientific/philosophical notion of complexity.
I have no blue print of the future.
My small mind finds no contradiction between Pan’s scientific/philosophical view of complexity and Teilhard’s somewhat tainted … religious/spiritual … view of complexity.
All people predict/forecast every day … unconsciously … we all predict/forecast that the sun will come up tomorrow.
The Ice Age, Atlantis(Eden) is born from God(s), The Floods swept away God’s shame/disappointment, Sumeria?, Egypt/Babylon?, Rome?, Washington/New York?, Armageddon?
If all religions were melded together, what would be THE tenet they were all comprised of?
I’ve written many times … words in and of themselves are impotent.
Readers … be vigilant … you may feel someone tapping you on your left shoulder … someone who wants to give you an experience of agape love … an experience involving God.