The Phenomenon of Man ... Wo-man

While I don’t understand the technical terminology of your comments … I do understand the notion of “doubt”.

Pandora … your last paragraph is antithetical to the rest of your post …you are sufficiently humble to leave the door open a tiny crack.

My take is … humanity still does not know … with any degree of certainty.

Phyllo wrote:

“But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die” (Genesis 2:17).

Name one verse in the bible that says that man has an immortal soul?

Pilgrim wrote:

What do you mean?

You just moved the goalposts. Your previous post was about not dying . Now you want me to produce texts about the “immortal soul”.

You also did not respond to the Genesis passage where God says that if Adam and Eve stay in Eden then they will eat from the tree of life and live forever.

I was referring to a comment made by James in a discourse you had with him a few days ago.

Seems James has answered your questions … yet again! … JSS is turning out to be as smart as many ILP members think he is.

James Wrote:

Scholars and theologians agree that at the time the Bible was written people of the day were just starting to hear … talk about … immortality.

We’ll be trying to take a peek at it soon:
bbc.com/news/science-environment-38937141

Pan, you seem to be caught up in the excuse making of a specific set of people who desperately tried to defend their preference of prophecy and belief. But if you want to discuss the real story, it is best to do so on the science forum. For example, the Second “Law” of Thermodynamics has been proven wrong for over a century, despite the many attempts to rewrite it to make it seem correct. The most correct rewrite stated that it is merely a propensity, not a law, which would be true. And as black holes crush, disintegrate, and absorb entire galaxies, some radiation escapes. Black holes do not decrease in size or mass. They are run away gravitation, cosmic vacuum cleaners spraying a little refuse dust in their wake.

Atlantis The Ice Age(s) The Flood(s) Pharaoh’s Egypt Babylon Rome Washington

When I ponder the above 7 data points I see:

  1. The rise and fall of complexity.

  2. Rising complexity spawning arrogance.

  3. Rising arrogance triggering a fall.

  4. Cyclical … yes

  5. Linear … ???

Begs the question … where are we at the moment?

What difference does it make where you are?

Phyllo … allow me to change one word in your question.

What difference does it make where we are?

Perhaps the answer is ‘forecast’ … all businesses do it … the successful businesses get it right! eg Nokia and Apple

For the desperate people … desperate according to James

James wrote:

Matthew 16:3

You changed the question but did not provide an answer.

The weather people can’t even accurately predict the weather two weeks from now. What can you/we forecast? And what does it all have to do with complexity?

Ice ages last tens of thousands of years.

Rome lasted hundreds or thousands of years, depending on how you count.

How can these be considered “data points” in any reasonable sense?

Somebody has characterized every age in this way. :laughing:

Phyllo … I shared some thoughts that popped into my consciousness … triggered at least in part by Pan’s comments concerning the scientific/philosophical notion of complexity.

I have no blue print of the future.

My small mind finds no contradiction between Pan’s scientific/philosophical view of complexity and Teilhard’s somewhat tainted … religious/spiritual … view of complexity.

All people predict/forecast every day … unconsciously … we all predict/forecast that the sun will come up tomorrow. :laughing:

… and all of those "somebody(s) were right … it’s simply a question of degree. :laughing:

The Ice Age, Atlantis(Eden) is born from God(s), The Floods swept away God’s shame/disappointment, Sumeria?, Egypt/Babylon?, Rome?, Washington/New York?, Armageddon?

If all religions were melded together, what would be THE tenet they were all comprised of?

In a word … “arrogance”

Attempts to usurp the authority … superiority of God.

usurp as in abrogate

the late Dr Wayne Dyer mentioned a plausible acronym for EGO … Edge God Out

abrogate as in repeal God’s laws and replace them with man’s laws.