Adam and Eve were immortal. Once they ate from the tree of knowledge, they had to be kicked out of Eden so that they would not become like God and life forever. The possibility of being immortal and like God is still potentially there in the future.
Genesis 3:22 (NIV)
Jesus says many times that you will have eternal life.
If there were no energy gradient set up such us ours (cold universe (earth + sun) cold universe) [note, a decaying sun that is also in compliance the 2nd law of thmd] we would not have complex life forms (which feed off the sun).
I don’t see complexity as violating entropy in the long run. We are able to exist because of the micro bubble of energy gradients that we find ourselves in. Complex life forms are more efficient at energy transfer, as you can see from eco tropic pyramids and transfer efficiency at trophic levels. Only 10% of energy is used at each level and 90% is released as heat. Now, imagine how much energy has to be wasted before we get a chance to waste our own, just food-wise. Now, think about how much energy we use and waste just for doing what humans do on daily basis? It’s like we just want to transfer (and waste) as much energy as we can possibly get our hands/minds on. So, in a sense, we can say that increasing complexity, including us, is to do what we do and balance things in universe. We are not special in that sense, only a functional cog in the machinery and certainly not above the natural law. People who claim that evolving complexity is an evidence of something divine seem to forget that there is no such thing as free lunch in the universe and even we are dependent on our environment for our existence.
I take it you don’t believe in 2nd law of thermodynamics which states:
Ah, the black holes. This theory is still being debated. Do they violate or do they not violate the 2nd law? Only recently Hawkins declared that there are not ‘true’ black holes, since even they leak radiation and are bound to eventually loose their mass with time. And I would say that it wouldn’t be surprising that with time, if all matter is dispersing, they ought to e-v-e-n-t-u-a-l-l-y disappear as well. But that’s my take on it.
“But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die” (Genesis 2:17).
Name one verse in the bible that says that man has an immortal soul?
You just moved the goalposts. Your previous post was about not dying . Now you want me to produce texts about the “immortal soul”.
You also did not respond to the Genesis passage where God says that if Adam and Eve stay in Eden then they will eat from the tree of life and live forever.
Pan, you seem to be caught up in the excuse making of a specific set of people who desperately tried to defend their preference of prophecy and belief. But if you want to discuss the real story, it is best to do so on the science forum. For example, the Second “Law” of Thermodynamics has been proven wrong for over a century, despite the many attempts to rewrite it to make it seem correct. The most correct rewrite stated that it is merely a propensity, not a law, which would be true. And as black holes crush, disintegrate, and absorb entire galaxies, some radiation escapes. Black holes do not decrease in size or mass. They are run away gravitation, cosmic vacuum cleaners spraying a little refuse dust in their wake.
You changed the question but did not provide an answer.
The weather people can’t even accurately predict the weather two weeks from now. What can you/we forecast? And what does it all have to do with complexity?
Phyllo … I shared some thoughts that popped into my consciousness … triggered at least in part by Pan’s comments concerning the scientific/philosophical notion of complexity.
I have no blue print of the future.
My small mind finds no contradiction between Pan’s scientific/philosophical view of complexity and Teilhard’s somewhat tainted … religious/spiritual … view of complexity.
All people predict/forecast every day … unconsciously … we all predict/forecast that the sun will come up tomorrow.
The Ice Age, Atlantis(Eden) is born from God(s), The Floods swept away God’s shame/disappointment, Sumeria?, Egypt/Babylon?, Rome?, Washington/New York?, Armageddon?
If all religions were melded together, what would be THE tenet they were all comprised of?
Jesus says many times that you will have eternal life.
