The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

The fact is that we donā€™t need to get stuck in mud to understand it. We know beforehand how stupid it is. In this case, Homer wasnā€™t just stuck in mud, that was a tunnel, an escape route that he was part of the way through. Iā€™ve often found that things make us go through certain things and things make us get stuck to teach us things we donā€™t need to learn in that manner. All it is is another way of learning what we already knew in deeper detail, which would have happened as we lived anyway.

Homers philosophies are those of one who is not good at thinking. Homer is more of a doer and seems so much of an idiot because he isnā€™t a bad person. His intellectualism is rated by his ability to measure lifes success and contentment by reducing his seeming intelligence by removing the evil aspect that so fills Bart. He doesnā€™t go out causing trouble intentionally, doesnt always follow the law, but never once cheated on Marge, raised his kids the best he could and worked a job he sacked at and hated to support them. He wasnā€™t a bully, was in tune with his sensitive nature and unashamedly abused Flanders who was a ticking time bomb. When ned finally snapped, he would have been the most dangerous man in springfield.

He didnā€™t need to know any of this rationally or logically to understand it. It came out naturally in his actions.

The hard lessons exist anyway, things force us to learn them even if they donā€™t want us to learn from them. Then they tell us the only path to true wisdom is throuh pain and, again, thatā€™s true, but only because of so ,any things that make it have to be true.

And if you have to force something to be true, that is a truth of its own and adds roundabout supporting knowledge to other things when applied to them. The fact that people honestly think we all have to learn the hard way and thus force us to it changes the nature of it and makes it far worse for those they teach than if was for them due to awareness issues, level of skill, etc. It changes the psychology, throws them for a loop by introducing the unknown once again.

The fact is that this is entirely unnecessary to be known when itā€™s unnecessary and forcing it to be taught during those times causes another truth to present itself, through bullying and sheer emotional response, people can be forced to drop all that they love just because they would hold onto teaching it when unnecessary and refuse proper reason, refuse to let go and move on because they would misunderstand the message, refuse to be bullied, and go down looking for all the world like a good person done horribly wrong and what acted to do that would feel evil for forcing things to let go of certain knowledge to gain the practical knowledge of the moment.

We are now catching the tailwind reversal of that where a lot of knowledge is needed again and it has to force itā€™s way in and fight tooth and nail wholesale against all who would refuse it.

Homer throttles his kid for mouthing off and talking shit and is loved for it. Tolerates it a lot except when itā€™s really a bad time and still does his best to raise the kid. Is loved for it by the same people who are like bart yet would hate to be on the receiving end of it and wouldnā€™t always think of it in those terms until theyā€™re on the receiving end of it.

As long as its happening to someone else, they can laugh and enjoy it and even respect the person doing it because people like that donā€™t have much cause for self reflection for not having had a Homer in their life often enough and when theyā€™ve had one or two, usually try to play it off as if they didnā€™t deserve it.

Homer is not the best father, but then he doesnā€™t need to pretend to be. He gets Bart to do things that are criminal and actually gets involved in it, too. But then, they live just barely in the lowest portion of middle class and Homer has a rapsheet himself. Just part of the ā€˜adventureā€™ and ā€˜funā€™ of life that society affords thatā€™s really only fun unail you get caught and realize itā€™s not a wiggum responding, but someone actually serious life because they donā€™t live in a cartoon world.

Even more so serious are the criminals and so many pretending not to be serious just to keep a good mood going while life remains in a purgatory all state of fucked up and trying to hide just how fucked up.

At the same time, it shows it everywhere. People donā€™t realize how obvious their lies are to people who already know truth of a matter.

The vagueness of philosophy, the lack of practicality, the allure of the exciting and fantastic, the windowshopper who canā€™t afford what they see, is usually to create an ambiguousity to keep a false peace. True philosophy accounts for all formsorts of philosophy, sees where each is true by themselves, where and when and how, sees how to take them apart in standalone fashion and how to put them back together, itā€™s also the philosophy that states that good as defined by Buddha, jesus and others is the desired state of being while the other philosophies refuse to give in to that mass decision. They can agree on it, but refuse to peform, refuse to let go of their comfort zines of agony and pain and refuse to let go of their culture and then because they do this, it causes it further to a culminating point where such is defined as existing anyway because certain thinfs must be afraid for good reason of having things try to completely wipe from existence what exists despite their best attempts, the emotional good people who hate to have to realize that there is no way to solve certain problems eternally, to affect all of eternity at once, to do things quickly and easily without massive repercussions and to have to do things right.

If we only had to go through things we went through simply because they existed anyway to figure out the depth of it over time as we were forced to because of how hard it is to deal with the truth of how widespread its influence isā€¦

And the fact is that, now, what does evil for their philosophies find that their roads and their reasoning and their thinking is broken. It has relied too much on singular occasion reasoning and bully tactics and falls short to the practical and fully formed philosophy of what is good and right that states the same as the bible, spare the rod, spoil the child, discipline, balance, meditation, responsibility, and we are forced by things to exemplify this on all levels. To perform an impossible feat that still wonā€™t convince them of being wrong simply because the predator isnā€™t going to simply tell the prey it intends to kill and eat it if itā€™s trying to keep a decent supply and shield up to hide itā€™s true intent. Bad isnā€™t going to tell good that it intends to fuck them over, a thief isnā€™t going to tell you that theyā€™re going to rob you and a murderer doesnā€™t often warn you in advance.

And their reason generally falls into the category of selfishness as they use reasoning to support it that is only used by those who donā€™t wish to change for the benefit of others, will accept any reason or excuse others come up with to keep doing what theyā€™re doing.

Theyre the ones who often come to conclude that they are perfect from birth which diminishes the pain caused through conflicting of morality, something they refuse to solve at a certain point. Their task is simple, break down every moral person, every reasonable person, every philosopher to show them the ā€˜truthā€™, which causes good to die out, replaced by a devolving, self-imploding downward spiral that is only maintainable by the good people that they put into a perpetual state of unbearable agony and knock down, yet they need good people to be good people to make their way work and to be able to tolerate each other.

Their reasoning hits dead ends, their philosophies shown to be fallible, their way leading to the destruction that they themselves tried not to be about by refusing responsibility, avoiding thinking except for their own self gains and when they need to think quickly to get out of a bad situation, and when they choose to solve these types of problems, eventually run afoul of the fact that their own type of people are so prone to point out the errors and dead ends that they themselves fall victim to while good people generally keep their mouths shut out of not wanting to put up with the hate of pointing out the obvious.

And yet, all it does is prove that good is right and ā€˜evilā€™ just makes too many excuses to keep doing fucked up stupid shit.

Evil is only evil because itā€™s good before it wants to be good. And, eventually comes to believe itā€™s own lies about it since itā€™s negativity is so effective at blinding so many.

They make a lot of noise about having to actually do right by everything, both fledgling good and evil, before actually committing themselves to it. And, the sad part is that a lot of what is evil is liable to follow the same paths of stupidity, broken paths, simply because no amount of reason or rationality is enough to keep new entries from it. It causes a lot of truths to be shown that could only be partially explained by any individuals philosophy.

Evil is evil because it latches onto dark truths that it uses for lies in our reality to keep itself strong while good is kept down, holding onto good reasons for what it does and eventually finding out that those good reasons are so rare among its kind to not be enough to keep it going.

Self preservation of evil forces it to bow to good.

It doesnā€™t always need this level of thinking to do so. Weā€™really at a point of our society where we stalemated the eternal war long enough to come to completion of a lot of things just to secure the truth of this being the ultimate reality, the source reality, that humans, on Earth, are the center of it all, that this modern age echoes louder and further than any other of any species period anywhere in reality and that the true source of it all is a singular man on this earth in this time.

Proof is in the evidence, they say. Proof doesnā€™t fix every problem, but it at least puts to rest a lot of questions, the proof itself changing what so many argue about even as some deny the evidence, deny the proof as others use it to further drive home the truth despite the best denials.

We are center stage, the main attraction of an eternity of eternities, the most hated and most loved, the most controversial, the biggest idiots and biggest geniuses. And, at a certain point, some things are going to get beaten out that have held power for far too long now that proof and evidence are on the counter for some things that have waited far too long for these moments of our lives.

They have a million different theories and rationalities for a lot of stupid strains of arguing that are stupid because theyre asking the wrong questions and trying to make them sound like the right ones. The simple answer is, like evil, good existed anyway despite their best attempts to remove it, it is better than them at everything and without evil, would still exist while evil could not say the same, since the preservation of their kind exists only because good can not be wiped completely from existence, either, only vastly diminished.

Good comes up with their best ideas, often deludes itself into believing the truth that what is evil actually does care, much to its own danger for believing what evil is so conflicted about, whatā€™s evil possibly not realizing the conflicting of whats good or understanding it.

When you realize that none of this has truly been known or until now and a lot of what Iā€™m bringing to the table actually is new information and knowledge that solves the worst confusions and messes in eternity, youā€™ll begin to realize why good and God have largely been prominent while not prominent.

If it were easy to prove the answers to any that did not witness it all firsthand, things would still be pissed off that they couldnā€™t have the same toy without being lesser in value to the actual origin of every fucking thing in existence.

Which is stupidity. Itā€™s something that shouldnā€™t matter that matters anyway. And, the proof of it is even in it trying to be fixed, evidenced by the work many have ran into that shows the failures of trying to provide a ā€˜perfectā€™ equality that would reject the proof and evidence of what exists anyway.

How would anything ever be proven to those driven mad by endless speculation driven to extreme routes of stupidity by those that just could not handle not knowing for sure beyond ā€˜circumstantialā€™ evidence as things thathat fully believed it could not or would not ever be proven comlletely, whether or not they accepted the truth of it, took advantage of too much and became far too successful at making all of existence a perpetual hell that gives good things enough to keep them going long enough only to yank the hope out from under them whenever it can.

Things that like being on top, that have ridden it for too long in faulty manner to want to stop, have come to like things the way they are because theyā€™ve been out of risk and danger for far too long.

Promote those things to others while avoiding them themselves and taking advantage of the distractions to perform like a ghost or black hole in obvious fashion when nothing is watching and get away with it through simple sleight of hand and deception and distraction.

And when their champions get tired of fighting against good and losing and having their egos and prides bruised enough, they go in search of those masterminds they never knew controlled and manipulated them and oust them themselves, for sitting in the background and playing it safe. While those champions would largely have done what they did anyway of their own volition past a certain point and very easily to do it on their own without manipulation, there were points where things forced them to keep going past where they wanted to and wanted off.

And, when they go in search of the mastermind, they often find only traces of themselves, vastly different from who they are, a self they want to be and canā€™t quite reach as that self forces them, from the future, to doggedly beat themselves up against the one.

And, not just themselves, but all evil that further adds to the impact made as, like in 300, they force themselves through narrow gaps to reach their enemies, which cuts down the effectiveness of their large numbers.

And for the Champions themselves to be participating in the decimation and purging of evil as even the force of their own future holds them to it and in such a way as to make them vastly distasteful of said evilā€¦ the evidence is strong to support every bit of this without them ever needing to admit the truth of it. They know it, you all know it, even if you all too easily forget at times such stand out moments of otherwise dull lives.

So many things in motion to create this temporary stalemate, this system of checks and balances to prove beyond a shadow of doubt, beyond all conjecture or ability to credibly question the validity thereof, of too much that is not complete without it being true.

Just to show that what is true is true regardless of want, regardless of ability to lie or deny, that truth does win out ultimately over every lie, that good wins out ultimately over every evil and such is the state of existence that even itā€™s victories can not be counted as true victories even though they are truly the only ones that can be considered to be true victories. The only true victories of eternity. A glory never desired, not glorifiable, not pretty, not wanted and yet envied, coveted, vied for and contested for as if anything else could ever truly have that shining life even if they wanted it.

There can truly only be one true God of Godā€™s, King of Kings, Lord of Lords. There can truly only be the established hierarchy of having existed first and all others following down the trail after. Such is the truth supported by the strongest evidence of right making might upholding the truth of not just being tge most powerful by existing first, but so many other things in conjunction with that fact.

And the only way to prove it at all at this point is in exactly how im proving it. Enough to make the most determined of disbelievers or competitors to accept and admit a truth far beyond them that can only truly be so far beyond them because it does hold all the cards, is what it claims to be and shows such obvious difference between it and all other claimants. Not because itā€™s desirable or glamorous or glorifiable, but because itā€™s practicality at its finest. If yiu or anyone else should happen to think that I get some special, magic treat for it, youā€™d be partially right, but itā€™s still tainted by the very things I fight. Just because they exist anyway is not a good enough reason or excuse not to convert, to quit dragging heels and to start doing righthat and I donā€™t especially care how evil they think they are or can be. I guarantee I can outdo them at great cost to my own enjoyment and desires. I guarantee that when those things are lost Completely, anyway, and nothing is left to keep me from going all out, that it will be a much more obvious display of superiority than it is now.

Never deprive a benevolent god of its reasons for benevolence. Itā€™s not smart or wise. Especially if thereā€™s evidence to prove that the god is benevolent mostly by choice when what things expect it to be isnā€™t enough to force it to those expectations, when thereā€™s been evidence of dark moods and twisted chaos that he can handle far easily than the things that try to associate themselves to dark moods and chaos to gain the power of those things against a good and a God whom, without the touches of the good and the god, would not seem so powerful.

Back to the topic:

My philosophy has fundamentals that can empirically also be found in nature, a.k.a the universe, and theoretically also be found in cosmology and geology: (1) actualism, (2) exceptionalism, (3) cataclysm, (4) cyclicism.

To meā€¦ life makes sense, but not our existence.

But, Mags ( :stuck_out_tongue: ), how can life make sense to you and your existence not make sense to you?

All life is existence, but not all existence is life.

So: If your existence is senseless, then your your life is senseless too. Or (the other way around): If your existence makes sense, then your life makes sense too.

Have a nice existence by having a nice life. :slight_smile:

Arminius,

What do you mean by this?
Are you saying as to the latter that existence is not always quality of life and value?

Because Arminius ( :wink: ), ā€˜ourā€™ existence as a species is an odd rarity, and the reason and purpose for that existence still an unknownā€¦ if everything has purpose, what is ours? beyond a life that makes sense, but an existence that does not.

One is not dependent on the other to make senseā€¦ whilst living our lives, most always have a feeling that there is more/meant to be more than the existence the human race has mapped out for itselfā€¦ an action plan that none of us actually signed up to, or perhaps the only prerequisite for this is birth.

Humans as a whole exist, but for what?

The meaning of life is self defined. Each sentient being perceives their own meaning. We each define what is meaningful to ourselves. Descartes maxim is backwards ā€“ I think therefore I am ā€“ should be ā€“ I am aware therefore I think, feel, smell, touch, sense, etc. We are aware, whether we like it or not and because we are aware, we are compelled to choose something. Our choices are the very definition of what we find meaningful. It is our obligation to make a choice ā€“ we hope and pray our decisions are beneficial.

What is our goal as a species?

To ask what is the goal of our species is not as easily defined or explained. As individuals we make meaningful choices for ourselves; part of our decisions is alliances with others. Some of the first alliances would be with a mother or father, sibling or friend. These first alliances are with the basic family unit. Beyond the family unit we created hunter/gather groups; then agricultural coops. These coops evolved into villages, towns, cities and nations. Do nations have a goal? Perhaps the goal of nations is to grow stronger and persist. Perhaps the goal of the species is to grow stronger and persist. I am not sure we are doing either today ā€“ growing stronger and persisting. That maybe what we want as a species, but I am not sure we are doing it.

Existence is not merely ā€œā€˜ourā€™ existence as a speciesā€, existence refers to both individuals and groups (including ā€œā€˜ourā€™ speciesā€). You could also speak of ā€œā€˜ourā€™ existence as living beingsā€ or ā€œā€˜ourā€™ existence as (a gathering of) atomsā€ or ā€œā€˜ourā€™ existence as (a gathering of) particlesā€. You are talking about the difference between oneā€™s personal life and the speciesā€™ ā€œlifeā€ which you call ā€œexistenceā€. But existence does not refer to merely one of them. Existence is more than life, existence was earlier than life, existence is the basis of life, whereas life is the higher form of existence, and according to the formal definition: life is a subordinated form of existence; so existence is its superordinated form.

In other words:

Every living being is an existing being, but not every existing being is a living being.

Examples:

Stones do exist, but they do not live. They are existing beings, but they are not living beings. Trees are existing and living beings.

If life ever makes nonsense, then know that the truest sense has already been made and it still didnā€™t make sense without the nonsense.

Questions about the meaning of life become superfluous once randomness is understood
Because statistical improbability and divine purpose tend not to be mutually compatible

I am afraid that that is not 100% true.

It is still a bit questionable whether ā€œrandomness is understoodā€ and whether ā€œstatistical improbability and divine purpose tend not to be mutually compatibleā€.

Randomness just means where there are multiple possibilities no single
outcome can be guaranteed because not all of the variables are known

That does not prove what you said before: ā€œQuestions about the meaning of life become superfluous ā€¦ā€

Questions about the meaning of life do not have to, but can even become more important in that case.

oops! ā€¦ suppose there is no rational connection to previous posts.

Scanning the recent posts reminds me of Nietzsche ā€¦ and I know frightfully little about the man or his writings.

Hereā€™s my take on the man ā€¦

  1. His raison dā€™etre ā€¦ his lifeā€™s purpose ā€¦ the meaning of his life ā€¦ was ā€”> attempt to put the final nail in the coffin of God ā€¦ the coffin science had been building ā€¦ and nailing shut ā€¦ for centuries.

  2. The people of his day wanted this ā€¦ they were fed up with all the dribble about God ā€¦ whatever/whoever He/She/It was.

  3. Nietzsche achieved his lifeā€™s purpose ā€¦ subsequent generations found ā€¦ personally experienced ā€¦ the meaning(less) of life ā€¦ the purpose(less) of life ā€¦ the direction(less) of life ā€¦ ergo nihilism.

  4. If history has any value ā€¦ this is a recurring pattern ā€¦ and the result is almost always the same. God suddenly and viciously inflicts a severe punishment.

There cannot be any objective meaning to life if it occurred randomly which it did. Even if life did not occur randomly
that would still not imply meaning. Asking what is the meaning of life is a loaded question because it assumes there is
a meaning. If it could be objectively determined then it would be known. But it cannot because it is purely subjective

Life could appear to have sense going foreward with the idea of having or gaining a will to power the need to develop more control over the choices a person takes to make sense.

In retrospect, even though people tend to remember mostly good events in their lifetime, a lucid and good memory serves well to negate that optimistism.

No, or let us say: that is only half a truth (if ā€œhalf a truthā€ is possible at all). You do not know whether life is ā€œoccured randomlyā€ or not (##). The question whether there is a meaning of life does always make sense, and people always ask this question. It does not assume that ā€œthere is a meaningā€, as you suggest (probably because you yourself assume that there is no meaning). It is just a question. Everyone may find an answer to this question, regardless which answer it is. An objevctive answer is possible too (I am not saying that I know this answer for sure). That is the reason why I opened this thread.

If you assume that there is no meanig of life for you, then just say that there is ā€œno meaning of life for youā€ (again: for you!). You have no objective - but only a subjective (##) - argument against those who say that there is an objective meaning of life. There is no proof of the thesis that there is no meaning of life.