Hellenism

it seems to me that men have always dismissed women’s dismissiveness, which allows them to maintain authority over them…which is apart of dominating them into attentiveness

Thanks for arguing my point for me MP. Women are much stronger than they are enslaved to believe.

Exactly, I agree. The chances of that happening are very slim, but I guess you’d say they are non-existent, right?

I meant perceive the patterns in reality (nature) outside of human social constructs, specifically this cycle:

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The key is to figure out how to maintain good times in the long-term, instead of letting good times create weak men, and then weak men fucking it all up , which is the natural way of how things go. If people blindly follow their instincts and emotions then they end up endlessly repeating this cycle whilst remaining clueless of it. Like a caterpillar :

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The human ape perpetually going in circles, thinking he’s going somewhere, that he is “progressive”, going forward, when he’s merely blindly following his instincts and surrendering to natural processes of growth and decay. Then when shit hits the fan these same imbeciles will wonder “how did it get so bad”, never questioning their initial premises, not realizing how they contributed to it.

Strong men manage to dominate nature and accumulate excess energies (resources) in a society, creating good times. By dominate nature I mean, fight off other societies, and successfully extract energy from the environment. Anyway, when the good times are created because of strong men and strong principles, then and only then can degeneracy set in - liberalism, pacifism, feminism, equality, welfare state - none of these can exist in nature. They are fundamentally parasitic and weak and can only latch on to an already successful host which they then proceed to destroy, they themselves can not become successful. This is why it is so ironic when such degenerate ideologies then claim to be “progressive”.

Basically, this natural cycle has to be recognized, and then rules have to be put forward to prevent the system from ever degenerating into liberalism, pacifism, feminism, and all other forms of degeneracy.

But due to reality-inversion I spoke about in my reality-denial thread, a realistic approach to politics will be shunned by the majority precisely because it is realistic - it exposes the masses to a reality they wish to remain ignorant of. They’d much rather be seduced with nice sounding, fantasy words, even if it ultimately spells their doom - “humane”, “justice”, “equality,” love", “peace”…

So yeah I’d agree with you in your pessimism, though instead of pessimism I’d call the same viewpoint realism. Humans will most likely forever keep going through these cycles, oblivious of what’s going on. It’s all rather pathetic in its predictability when you look at it from an outsider perspective, isn’t it?

Haha, amazons? Adorable.

My point was that conquerors aren’t exactly going to ask you if you prefer being raped, pillaged and murdered, will they? Silly girl, thinking the world revolves around your preferences.

Dominating them into attentiveness doesn’t mean negating their power as much as you think it does, in fact, it can be quite the opposite where they become incredibly strong and powerful, their modern enslavement is the result of a lack of regulation. Your’e stuck in a world where it’s women vs men, you’re fighting a lone battle because it doesn’t actually exist as much as you think it does…

Enslaved to believe? by whom? Men?

Then in another post you write that men pretty much dismiss women…

So if men are dismissing women and not paying attention to them, and yes it’s quite a literal dismissal(judging by all the stats)…then who are all these men enslaving women into believing that they are powerless?

Nobody is doing shit to them, they are free, right…, then be free and powerful as much as you can, so what’s stopping you, and them?

ahhh, but it’s the nature of the power is what it all comes down to, doesn’t it… where in your mind, women are ONLY powerful in relationship to exceeding men…and if they don’t then oooh,… the oppressive men are keeping you down… it’s the same victimhood mentality everywhere…

you’re like this because you are not regulated because you have been conditioned to think any regulation over you is a negative oppressive thing, then when youre free from it you fall into self-deprecation…and if this is not the case, then you must be free and powerful, right…whatever the hell that means?..

you have a problem with reality and your gender in relationship to it…you are disordered…this is why you are attracted to the mannequin, because you can relate to somekind of perceived chaos initially, which are the headlights…then i introduce order slowly, which is the hook… which relates to need…trixie is attracted for the same reasons…

But my name is Markus
I observe from the table tops,
parrots, budgies and mannikins
as my mother’s baby cradle rocks…

These are of high places, living kings dwelling up in the walls…

Don’t you see them all down there, scoffing on their food, grunting, stinking… can hardly call it digesting…

You can’t even see it! You are a softer version of pandora, yes fucked up, but more inclined to submit…this time period is unfortunate for you, as it is for many others, especially with the feminization of men, will bring an even more worrying level of dismissiveness, but not the negative kind, but a natural indifference, a dissinterest…fools like you think feminization will make the communication smoother…and men and women can finally love each other like they are suppose to, or some stupid bullshit like that…

Are you confused? like that pandora whore who supports all this modern freedom feminzation of men stuff and how women will be powerful and eventually rule, then at same time tells men to man up…

feel free to judge your importance to me on the length on this post…

In general, used and dismissed about sums up the relationship men perpetrate against women. I, myself, wish for most men to explore outerspace with all your technology and science, while us women help to heal Mother Nature here. You can explore, conquer, and destroy other worlds for The Glory, for shits and giggles, I don’t give a fuck, but transport your shitty, destructive, dreams elsewhere. 80% of men are not needed here, maybe more like 90%. We’ll keep the fires of home going while you are away. Happy trails, now beat feet and fly off sooner before you kill us all.

While I am amused at Satyr’s ‘mature child’ romanticism of Greece, the fact is the origins of Greece are shrouded in mystery. They date back to the time of Abraham, 18th century BCE, or perhaps even earlier, but historians disagree as to where the Greeks came from. They could have been people migrating down from Asia down through Europe and settling in the Greek Isles, or they could have been seafaring people who settled along the coast, Satyr has chosen the seafaring origin, the more romantic version.

While admiring the Greek contributions to civilisation, it is easy to forget what Greek society was really like.

For example, the “Spartan lifestyle”. Tough for little seven year old boys, taken from their parents forced to live in military style barracks and subsisting on barely enough to survive, because to be Spartan meant to be tough.

Aristotle argued in his Politics (VII.16) that killing children was essential to the functioning of society. He wrote:

“There must be a law that no imperfect or maimed child shall be brought up. And to avoid an excess in population, some children must be exposed [i.e. thrown on the trash heap or left out in the woods to die]. For a limit must be fixed to the population of the state.”

To be fair Aristotle isn’t saying “I like killing babies,” but he is making a cold, rational calculation: over-population is dangerous; this is the most expedient way to keep it in check.

Then there was the practice of pederasty. Indeed, the sexual initiation of a young boy by an older man was considered the highest form of love and vital part of a boys education.

Plato wrote of this in his Symposium (178C):

“I, for my part, am at a loss to say what greater blessing a man can have in earliest youth than an honorable [older] lover …”

The Greeks believed or believe that the human being is the centre of all things, even Greek gods were described in human terms. Greeks are men who are lovers of themselves.

This all seems unreasonably harsh? Perhaps, but it is much closer to the truth, than…

And yet the so called strong men also become manipulated time and time again throughout history.

More like cynical pessimistic realism.

Except that in this world where sexual stratification has been defacto abolished there is little difference anymore between the roles of men and women where women exist much like men now. There is no feminine nurturing taking place. Femininity has been deemed sexist and outlandish under the progressivist ideological struggle.

Where are all the female rebels at? No, women conform under the same system of men where there is no female dominated rebellion against the status quo taking place.

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Geez…

a world of women only, what a nightmare that would be for women who have no desire to be part of the ‘sisterhood’.

What you are proposing only creates an imbalance.

Where did I write a world without men? It would be a nice change to walk down any street at any time of the day or night and not have to be on guard. Are you vigilante of your safety SM?

What we have is an imbalance.

I may be naive and am missing your point, but …

there is in my understanding of what you write an undertone of to put it mildly, dislike of men, or perhaps fear of men.

Are you not reading entire posts or only cherry picking what you quote knowing full well that it is incomplete? “We” as in those women and men who do not drink the Star Trek kool-aide. If you’d prefer to explore, you can go with them, but you will be raped to death.

If you regard men as safe, I have many places for you to walk down alone where your only fear will stem from men. Do you deny this danger?

Actually my thoughts about you and men, did not include rape, but perhaps they should have?

Your comments purvey, to me generally, you have a dislike or fear or whatever it may be, as I don’t know or will never know the full extent of your history and men.

There does seem to be a distrust, (is probably a more accurate description) and with this usually comes a chequered history.

Deny the danger of a ‘stranger’. No, but I usually drive not walk at night. Believe it or not but rape is usually perpetrated by someone who is known to the victim.

Then you won’t have to drive or walk very far, will you? But as a woman, if you ever get rear ended by another car at night, don’t stop to discuss the accident, carjackings perpetrated by men happen that way. You don’t seem to be in a question answering mood ever, so I’m going to stop engaging you in a realistic way for that honesty seems to be out of your comfort zone. I know you believe a woman on the street, stranger danger, is the same as with men.

Yet.

If only all men would just leave the planet and if the remaining males became effeminate little boys so that Wendy would not feel threatened.

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“Mother Nature”

Stop your bitching Autsider. To protect a woman from abuse or death at the hands of any male, I’d fuck bitchy assholes up.

Silly girl, if anything conquerors are more merciful to women they conquer than they are to men they conquer. So why are you constantly mentioning women only?

Did you like the pictures of your “Mother Nature”?