Why God is inherently right

WD … IMHO your description of Noosphere is better suited to another of Teilhard’s theories known as the Omega Point. In a nutshell, when humanity reaches the Omega point we will no longer require intermediaries … communication for all individuals will be one on one with God. As far as I know the authors of the Noosphere concept do not present it as being God.

Cern is not the first … countless others … individuals, philosophers, corporations, religions and so on and so on. Seems this type of activity is necessary to draw humanity to God. IMHO we must remind ourselves that science is from God as well … at some point science will converge with theology, philosophy and so on and so on.

In pantheism! :smiley:

tom wrote

I disagree. Science distracts and separates Man from God. God permits science, which is a house of cards that he allows to stand, but science is not of God’s nature, more of Satan’s, playing on human curiosity to steer Man farther from God. Why would God want for us to destroy our environment with the likes of science unless it’s about reaping time?

Really, Wendy? Science from Satan? I can see your point applying to technology–man’s perversion of nature–but science itself is about learning.

Have you ever read Roger Bacon?

In my pantheistic view, I do Bacon one better–I say science is not just the study of God’s creation (the fruits of which help us to know God better), but the study of God himself.

To me, the scientific method is the language of God. It is the art of asking God questions and receiving His answers. When a scientist conjures up a hypothesis, and conducts an experiment to test it out, he is interfacing with God directly. This is a Q&A session with God. The experiment is a question: am I right? Is my hypothesis correct? The results of the experiment are God’s answer: yay or nay.

(And now with particle physics, I think God is telling us: yay, that’s another way of saying what I’ve been telling you all along).

What are your thoughts on that, Wendy?

The point of self knowledge is not to take responsibility. The point is to recognize and understand your actions, your reactions and your feelings.

In that context, you are neither good nor bad. Neither saintly nor evil. Neither responsible nor irresponsible.

Phyllo, what voice do you listen to that tells you the reasons for your actions and feelings? Does the conscience have a say?

Wd … Phyllo … Gib

My arrogance has revealed it’s ugly ‘face’ … yet again!

I want people to ‘see’ what I ‘see’ and I’m in a hurry to get there.

I apologize … please forgive me.

I don’t think that conscience has a place in self-knowledge. You might perform an action for any number of reasons but conscience is a wrapper around some other motivations. You need to see the real motivation.

Fear is a big motivator… but fear of what exactly?

Canadian, eh?

Why bother recognizing diddly-squat if not to take actions on what you’ve learned in ernest? You don’t need a soul to be a passenger, only need a soul to be a driver.

Once you know who/what you are, then you can decide on who/what you want to be.

Science is about creating more harm than good. Science is about polluting the mind, the body, the world and beyond. The scientific language is not that of God, for God speaks with his emotions to ours. Satan is the thinker who seeds Man with his corrupt ideas so Man can feel powerful at first and empty nearer death. The disillusionment of Man is Satan’s playground.

So you understand yourself and act responsibly, Phyllo?

I’m pretty sure that it is not about that at all.

And if you were to do an evaluation of good results and harmful results coming from science and technology, the good would dominate.

Can you not “see” the world around you? You prefer the corruption, the pollution?

I understand parts of me. It’s a work in process.

Am I supposed to act responsibly? What happens if I don’t? :evilfun:

Then you will judge yourself unworthy of God, but where you will go if not into His grace, I don’t know…yet. Many upon many, maybe millions, of souls exist in Hopelessness. Other not so Divine planes exist.

If you eat, you consume resources and you poop waste.

That’s a simple fact of life. Nobody is so pure and holy that they consume nothing and they produce not waste.

One is looking for a balance and one does not necessarily achieve it.

Maybe my concept of responsibility is different from yours. Maybe my concept is different from God’s. One will see (or not).

There is hope for everyone.

I don’t know about other divine realms. I know something about Earth.

Science, thinking is equivalent to porn, a sex addiction or any drug addiction. Science hollows Man out then Man turns to the material universe for fulfillment with all his obsessions and addictions…everything to escape his emotions, to escape God’s talking to him.

You’re using the basics of existence to aid your argument? That’s weak when there’s so much greatness you could bring forth from all the sciences.