iambiguous,
Yes, language is wonderful, is it not?
Yes, this is what I meant by similar experiences which are a part of all humans - that inter-disconnectedness of thought and feeling.
We grasp these realities objectively, unless we question everything we see, because we all observe them continuously with our senses with our consciousness and have named them. We sometimes observe a rainbow. A shared experience. The scientist among others of course can explain it.
There is the collective unconscious which I greatly intuit.
[b]According to Carl Jung, each person not only has their own unique unconscious mind, but also shares some elements of unconsciousness with all other people. He called this shared unconscious, the collective unconscious. Jung suggested that there are archetypes (images and memories of important human experiences) that are passed down from generation to generation. These archetypes can be common designs, shapes, colors, and figures seen over and over again throughout time.
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You mean the scientific world? That’s not even a world of either/or is it?
How can it be since so much is still unexplainable.
Either/or to me is like black and white. It kind of ends further exploration and discovery, no?
Probably billions, maybe even more than the stars. They just keep cropping up. I don’t mean to cause you any angst.
Philosophy, science, religion, whatever will never be a done deal. We may never reach conclusions to things. Once we’ve reached them, it seems to open up more questions.
But then again, many question do have answers but they are based on our own subjectivity. I think that all we can do is first try to experience them within us, study them, reflect on them, to see how “real” and valid these answers seem to be. Nothing necessarily wrong with that, is there?
The world is complicated and much of it is still so unseen/undiscovered. Humanity is complicated. We don’t even begin to know ourselves at times so how can questions be so clear-cut? But don’t you think that we can explain them in some satisfactory way?
Are there actually “bare facts” in this regard? Maybe human “factors” which we have to examine in order to come to terms with conflicted value judgments.
Wouldn’t it all come down to what we eventually have to see as the greater good?
We have to pick and choose.
But maybe you’re speaking of CVJs with more than one person - between people or a group of people.
I really don’t see any easy answer - whether one is speaking of the abortion issue or whether to terminate, to pull the plug, on someone in a hospital in a coma for years, et cetera.
Hopefully, it would all come down to that which did the least amount of harm - but how to determine that since we cannot foresee the future of our actions - though there are some which we can foresee if we think hard enough.
Ought is a strange word, don’t you think. It kind of imposes a certain kind of mandate on behavior but I might be wrong here.
Ought here might simply mean a higher way to live which does little harm but perhaps it doesn’t even mean that.
“Ought” might mean as an example the decision to not have bombed Nagasaki and Hiroshima because of the innocent lives, non-military lives there because having done that, many many many military lives would have been spared sometime in the future.
Aside from that, I can imagine that you must have asked yourself the above question countless times in your lifetime "How ought I to live?
The answer changes too doesn’t it depending on where we are “at” in our lives in the present moments, the situation and circumstances? Life is flux and we are not hopefully let’s say 10 years later who we were ten years previously.
I know this is not too philosophical a discussion, is it? lol
How do You answer the question: “How ought I to live” with regard to the above?
I’m not quite sure how to express this but is the “I” the main thing about dasein?
We experience ourselves according to our life experiences beginning with the journey from childhood in relation to those we meet and with the world around us.
Wouldn’t we all experience our dasein differently?
Doesn’t this have more to do with how we have been affected and effected through everything which has touched our lives.
I’m having difficulty with this because I do not have it down pat just exactly what is meant by dasein. Can you kind of put it in a nutshell for me. …dasein according to iambiguous?
I’m not sure if there is since ought is kind of a subjective term, no?
I suppose we can though by using reason and logic, which doesn’t have much to do with emotions. If we’re honest with ourselves and want to maintain balance within our minds, we use our intelligence and consciousness to find an honest and more valid way of thinking.
But we all have different ways of either responding to something or reacting to it. Some of us have been born with a more optimistic attitude and others with a more pessimistic one. Some can detach easier and some not - some are like a dog with a bone.
But isn’t that what it’s all about? Discussing differences and trying to come closer to some kind of mutual agreement and shared perspective?
What do YOU mean here by “brought down to earth”?
I can’t say for sure if it’s 90% and I don’t really think that it is “almost all of them” but there is a lot of that. It sometimes bothers me.
Well, I did say “greatest” philosophers. There is a lot of nonsense which goes on here, which I also add to at times .
I think that part of the problem is not so much intelligence. Many here have such vast knowledge (the more I read, the more I realize how little I have) but I think that the issue is the mind set, the degree of self control, impulse control and balance and personalities of the people. This is also a social watering hole. I can’t say much since I rarely start a thread but some of the threads are absolutely absurd and pure nonsense. That’s my opinion. Perhaps also many of these people are not so much philosophers within their hearts and minds but just have so much knowledge, if that made any sense.
Perhaps what we can ever have is “what is true for us, ourselves, individually”.
If we live our lives trying to be guided by that signpost, that beacon “How ought I to live” in a conscientious, compassionate, empathetic and rational way, balancing all of those things, and remain firm and true to it, what kind of regrets could we possibly have on our deathbeds?
If that were the case and the way that I thought, then I’m not sure how worthwhile I would think of my life. Who would want to be a puppet?
I would still have to act as if that were not the case.
Perhaps we sometimes feel that “it is only as it ever could have been” because when it comes to the really important decisions of our lives, the ethical and moral ones, the ones which can really effect our lives and those of others, any decision for that matter, we don’t really take the time to think things out, to see all possible ways to go, to evaluate all options, to question “what will this bring me eventually” - somewhere down the line, we believe that it was really out of our hands. Why? because we allowed it to go out of our hands because instead of grappling with the questions and our behavior, we took an easier and quicker way out.
Perhaps we cannot be completely self-determined but we can still determine the outcome of our lives and come away with knowing that we do have some control, that we are not puppets of some puppeteer, and that it is not all written in the stars. We have reason, we have consciousness. We are not bowls of jello jiggling in the universe. lol
Are you a nihilist or are you an existentialist?
How do we change another’s mind? I suppose that one would have to start from the point of there being other possibilities to consider - no matter how things looked. That’s a feeble answer I know.
I know, it does seem to be a conundrum.