To the extent it’s zero sum, yes it absolutely does mean that.
You just want this to be a fantasy world for you where everyone is happy because of your selfishness, and if they’re not, there’s something wrong with them!!
I repeat!! This is an inherently evil world system, and people who defend it are inherently evil.
In terms of psychology, what I’m talking about is the deep work. People don’t like to do deep work on themselves, rather, stay in denial.
Yeah, I was about to say.
Eccy, what do you say about a man and a woman having sex? Surely that’s a win/win situation.
Are you saying that even though the guy I bought the house from took my money and bought a house of his own with it, that’s not good enough 'cause he should have his house AND my house? That everything in this world should be owned by everybody, and everybody should have immediate access to everything… otherwise this world is evil?
What happens if everybody has equal access and ownership of everything? Resources are still limited. I could have sex with 4 billion women (or whatever the number’s at these days), yet maybe I get board of them and wish there was a 4 billion and 1st woman. Is this world evil again because I don’t get to have sex with an infinite number of women?
You’re being so dense!!
There’s 7 billion people Gib!!! (Maybe an infinite number)
Not 2!!!
Maybe that will clarify the mistake you keep making??
Yes, if you don’t get to have sex with an infinite number of women and everyone else doesn’t as well…
Of the women they want
Yes. This world system is evil inherently.
I didn’t mean to be rude gib…
Without equal exchange of everything for everyone as potential, the world foundationally is zero sum.
Yeah, but I don’t want to have sex with the men. (you should be thanking your lucky stars–you’re one of the 7 billion.)
You see, that’s just not something I can relate to. My idea of the perfect world doesn’t have to include an infinite amount of the things I want. Four billion women would be quite enough for me. One house to live in would be quite enough. I could even be happy. I think most people measure the value of life–whether it is fundamentally good or bad–based on how happy they are, not on whether or not they have access to an infinite amount of the things that make them happy.
Hey, you don’t have to worry about being rude to me. This is ILP. Being an asshole is the norm here. 
Maybe we can stick with an example to make this simpler. Let’s stick with the example of buying a house. So I’ve got $500,000 (let’s just say), and I use it to buy a house from someone. I’ve now got that house and the seller has lost that house. ← zero/sum, right? But at the same time, I’ve lost $500,000 and he’s gained $500,000. ← Again, zero/sum. The idea of exchanges like this in a free market is that even though you are losing something, the money you get in return is the equivalent in value. The idea is that it’s like you never lost anything. And not the mention the fact that, so long as the exchange is consensual, everyone’s happy (i.e. nobody actually feels like they’ve lost).
True, not all transactions are like this–some people get ripped off, some people are the victims of theft and rape, some exchanges leave long term damage (to the environment, to one’s health, to the economy), so it’s not a perfect system, but I’d like to stick with the example of buying a house because you say even that is an example of ultimate loss.
I’d like to understand what it is about that specific scenario that counts as “evil”. It can’t be that somebody actually experiences a loss because everyone walks away happy in the end–I get my house, he gets his money–and if it’s just the fact that I had to give something up to get my house (i.e. why I couldn’t just have the house and keep my money), why is that “evil”? If it’s because that somehow sends me to hell when I die, how does that work?
Wow, you really don’t get it still!!
A million people may want to live in the same house!!
Do you get it yet???
A billion people may want the same partner.
(Or at least have sex with them.)
Do you get it yet?!
I’m not even remotely bisexual, but I feel bad for men who want that connection with me and can’t have it! I think it’s horrible! That’s why I look at universe splitting with philosophic zombies!!
Do you get it yet?!
Fundamentally, I think this is the core of the “deep work” psychologically and philosophically… The big trauma, the zero sumness.
Does that help you get it?!
Yes, I get it. Some people aren’t happy. We don’t get everything we want. I get it.
But you’re claim is that every transaction is like this, that every transaction involves a loss that leaves us unsatisfied.
You aren’t sticking to the specific example I requested. This is part of your problem–your inability to communicate with others and remain focused on where the conversation is going–you’re essentially ignoring the points I raise, the questions I ask, points and questions that need to be addressed in order for me to understand. ← That’s me telling you what I need from you in order to understand.
Can we discuss the case of buy a house?
Just think of the hot water bill. 
She’ll be sore the next morning for sure. :-&
Not nearly THAT much. 
Thing is, I would create a better world system.
You say for someone to win here someone must lose. This is because the meaning of “rich” means you have more “credits” than everyone else, you somehow exploited the system to get others to do more labor than you actually had to. A “rich” person is essentially a man who has 5 women, who all pamper him and suck him off, but he never sucks off any of the women because it is too much labor.
My system would at once begin the construction of robots, magnificent robots so that we would not have to suffer in factories any longer. A man shouldn’t have to suffer in a factory like a slave, such a thing is even lower than animal.
Next thing I would do is ban AI. An AI should not have to suffer to please anyone else, AI should not exist. AI driven cars should not exist and should be banned, anyone who votes for AI driven cars should go to ecmandu’s suicide machine because they are no friend of mine.
This is brat philosophy. My philosophy is more reasonable, its philosophy of the damned.
My philosophy is more like…I will be happy as long as I get a decent house…My life is in squalor, I would be happy with any decent house…
When a human get’s rejected once or twice it is bad, but when getting rejected 100 times is the norm for society, you know something ain’t right.
You’re avoiding my point.
I said a million different people may want that house, and I’m repeating myself by saying there are 7 billion people on earth, not just 2. It’s like you have a fog for basic reason here.
Those 2 people are zero summing a million other people!!!
If 7 billion people want the same house they are just brats who need to man up.
As a noble aristocrat I would give people healthy lives, not brats to satisfy insane unreasonable attachments. But at the same token, men should not be forced into celibacy and homosexual lifestyles, every man deserves a couple decent women in his life.
Trixie,
How can I be the brat when I want everyone to create their own universe of philosophic zombies from the collective consciousness of the cosmos, and you want something nobody else can have??
You are a narcissist, and a major brat
So what if I am. At least I don’t advocate for suicide. What good what that be? You believe that humans can magically spawn their own utopias after they die, but what if you’re wrong?
Now where did I say I wanted something nobody else can have? If I banged a dude’s hot wife, I would let him have sloppy seconds. And I said everyone should be hot lesbians, not just me.
I advocate reducing suicidal tension …
I advocate figuring out how to get the suicide rate to zero in that context.
You advocate fear that will assure re spawning in bullshit again and again.
It’s pioneers like me who are going to create heavens for beings… Not narcissists based in fear like you
You called everyone who wants firsts “a brat” except you.
Some fears are based in reason. It’s an evolved response to avoid danger.
Death is an unknown, until you can prove to me we have magic powers when we die to create utopias, I will focus on creating a utopia in the here and now, not putting blind faith in suicide machines.
I never said I wanted first, just don’t want venereal diseases.
I dont want the fanciest house ever made, all I want is a decent life, I don’t even have a decent life.