What of your personal experiences JSS?
Plato described the location of the soul in the human body and he was/is right. I haven’t read anything by Socrates, but I may look into him just to explain the rationale of my disagreements.
How queer to have more information than most beings who have ever lived to share such a pronouncement. What a predicament. Well, I’m not bright enough to resolve this on my own. This, you ask?
…are personal. 
You can neither confirm nor deny…divinity? 
How disappointing but as “we” understand, expected. In a gaming mood I see.
I cannot accept the existence of a Divine Realm of which there is zero evidence. But I do accept the existence of abstract entities independent of space
and time. And they are of course numbers and other mathematical symbols. They might be of human origin but I think mathematics itself is not because
it was discovered rather than invented. It is a language that could be utilised by any human equivalent curious intelligent life form in the universe. You
want evidence of divinity then look no further than mathematical infinity. Eternally never ending and unchanging. So much so that its actual values [ as
there is more than one ] cannot be quantified just hinted at but no more
How can a language be independent from a mind? It cannot.
Those are the same thing. The “Realm” merely means the group or collection of those abstractions. But it also includes any other perfectly defined entities such a ideals, principles, whatever…
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When we become extinct mathematics will still exist for it is mind independent just like I think it was
before it was discovered. For it is the language of reality so therefore existed long before we ever did
You cannot have ideas without a brain to formulate them so while they are abstract they are also mind dependent
But I think mathematics is different from ideas because I think it is truly abstract and therefore mind independent
which gets fed?
It takes a brain to perceive concepts, just as it takes eyes to perceive trees. The fact that eyes are involved does not make trees dependent upon eyes. And the fact that brains are involved does not be concepts dependent upon brains.
Trees exist independent of eyes but concepts do not exist independent of brains as they come from brains and only brains. Were there no brains
then there would be no concepts so when brains cease to exist then so too will concepts. As a brain is amongst other things a concept generator
Are you saying that a perfect circle wasn’t a perfect circle until Man came along? The principle of gravity didn’t exist until Man invented it? The inside didn’t have to be smaller than the outside until Man conceived it? There were no shapes and forms? There was no destruction before Man? No evolution?
The brain figures out the concept before it, just as the eye figures out the tree before it.
If all people are blind, the trees will still be there. When all people are unconscious, things will still fall downward rather than upward. Neither perceiving it nor conceiving it makes it real.
Supposedly, in the collective conscious and unconscious we have the insight and ability to create our own universe of philosophic zombies with perfect fidelity …
That’s what we’re evolving towards.
In the absence of this, we simply go to hell.
Delusional divine realms are where we hurt others to derive pleasantries and joy, and thus go to hell.
People are so ignorant and arrogant, conceited, blind and selfish… That they really think they can create a universe of real beings and not go to hell.
They are mistaken.
JSS wrote elsewhere
Oh brother, the precise are lacking guidance. When it’s too personal, it amounts to nonsense. 
Once I was told that honesty should not be flaunted. I never realized that being honest was so envied. Am I naive in my nonsense?
Hmmm?
WendyDarling,
When you claimed I do not understand divinity, it’s a pretty easy word to wrap ones noggin around. But does it exist, as a state of being, does it exist as a place? I do not think there is such a state or place, and did not wish to challenge you over it.
Well Mowk,
I’m sorry you have not encountered joyful love, I believed you had and would know from that state to which I speak when I call such divinity. Naively, I was asking you to reflect on moments of easy, overflowing happiness you have experienced to see how it is pure, a pure emotional energy that answers all your questions and makes your doubts vanish in those moments. During those moments of pure joyful love, I (the nature of pure being I desire) is present, really present in perfect form. Once again, I’m so sorry Mowk. Such questions of mine were presumptions that your marriage yielded these moments. I will refrain from asking you further questions.
The divine realm is where all the stuff that’s made in this world [-machine] goes. So it should be something like here, given that we have the same sensory depth there and are like us. Without material bodies we are probably more malleable and can alter our appearance, which could easily get strange. …so probably not that then. Hmm so people with big ears/noses or what have you are stuck with them forever. Alternatively would people become increasingly homogeneous, if they made a balanced look.
I quite like the idea of character creation, and indeed why stop there. Everything being malleable, then you can change the surroundings too. So what it needs it seems, is something actual, like an actual world ~ to restrain that and keep everything in place. As above, so below, ergo the otherworld would be not this but another machine-like entity, but all things are somehow flipped to the positive [the opposite of here].
there is no reason why there cannot be many other worlds, this particular one is limited and reality cannot be [because there would have to be something else limiting it [ad infinitum]].
I think pure overflowing happiness can only exist for a relatively short period of time because absence of anything else it is rather unrealistic
This is why I think contentment is more preferable because it is more accepting of reality as being happy all of the time is not really possible