Kinship

no need … the “eternal flame of Hope” is omnipresent.

Empirical evidence consistently confirms that periods … however long … of chaos, upheaval, turmoil … pushing the masses to the brink of despair … invariably something happens that restores peace, order and harmony … usually on a higher spiritual plane … until the next cycle starts it all over again.

OTH … you may be destined to be a “torch bearer” in the vanguard of a substantial transformation of the human species.

I’m old enough to remember a chorus line from the rock band “Mamas and Papas” … “the darkest hour is just before dawn”

One could make compelling arguments that we currently live in the ‘darkest age’ of all human history … despite all the glitter and gadgetry. Such a thesis stems from mankind’s unbridled confidence in science and general disdain … lip service at best … for anything spiritual.

If true … we live in a decidedly exciting and interesting time … we simply need lots of “torch bearers” to light the way forward … no need for aggression or violence … suggesting the time for patriarchal leadership is waning and the time has arrived for the feminine … with ovaries or not. :slight_smile:

Be careful about trying to do that, WendyDarling.
Some flames of hope need to be extinguished because they are more based in illusion than realty.
Some flames of hope need to be kindled or rekindled because they show great possibility.

It’s kind of a “call all to mind” (Yeats) balancing act.
Hope is one of those things which can be both a curse AND a blessing.
It must be purified in the flames of consciousness and reflection and perhaps even non-sentimental compassion.

Just because “Hope Reigns Eternal” doesn’t mean that it must.

WD ~~ the kiln. :mrgreen:
Let me see the beauty which you have created afterwards.

Hope can certainly be structured on and born out of belief.

I think that it can be a part of a person’s essence - some people are naturally optimistic in nature…great brain chemicals and genes handed down.

But I don’t think that the above people see a silver lining at every turn. Their hope is born and bred through clearer lenses.

If

Why suicide? Why homicide? Why abuse the temple? Why anger? Why all the fear?

Why does the sun come up each morning? Why is the sky blue? How the hell should I know?? :smiley:

But since you asked …

  1. Some argue that Confucius’s reluctance to discuss metaphysics with his followers stems from his fear of mass suicide.

  2. Cain killed his brother Abel out of jealousy. Jealousy has been the fuel for so many human ills/weaknesses since time immemorial.

  3. Frustration has driven people to madness since time immemorial … people who believed the “eternal” resided in the body were stupid enough to believe mutilating the ‘vessel’ would reveal the “eternal”.

  4. There is nothing to fear but fear itself … FDR. Fear is symbolic of the darkness … mankind has been living in relative darkness since time immemorial … fear has always been unavoidable.

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I have no idea, but it’s beautiful so let’s share a moment. :smiley: It’s playing on my youtube mix.

Tom wrote

It kind of does fit into a place within the flesh. The soul has proportions and placement in our physical bodies, but the soul body and the flesh body are cooperative but not liken one another.

Tom? Did I scare him off Mags?

…probably making himself a coffee… or a tea… that’s what I just did. :slight_smile:

Just finished listening to Divna Ljubojević Agni Partene … awesome!! Thanks

agree absolutely … IMO there is no way you can peel open the flesh to view the soul … and the soul body is exponentially more superior … brain/mind included.

… and out for a smoke too … yikes such a vile habit eh!

Tom,

I wasn’t asking about it’s potential in existence, I was asking about its specific location in each and every individual. Is Hope an actual embodiment, a sheathing of the soul? Obviously with abject violence and despair that sheathing is what, missing?

Tom wrote

I quit, but pine for it regularly.

A coffee / a smoke…? close enough :smiley:

I have the odd cig or roll-up… we all need a small vice or two :wink:

WD … you ask really hard questions … I’m no scholar/intellectual.

Let me try to share what I “see” …

I don’t “see” hope as a potential existence nor an actual embodiment.

I “see” hope as oxygen … at any given instance our body contains a certain amount of oxygen … enough to sustain life for a few minutes. If this finite amount of oxygen is not regularly replaced … well …

Most open air on the planet contains sufficient oxygen to support the human species … it’s quasi omnipresent … and we take what we need as we need it.

Seems to me there is some correlation between air quality on the planet and the aggregate human population. Maybe the increasing difficulty to extract the necessary oxygen from the air is analogous to the increasing difficulty to maintain a healthy degree of hope within.

Than again … maybe the above comments are a bunch of hogwash. :smiley:

Tom,

Your analogy is beautiful, perhaps a blending of our ideas the soul sheath filters/processes the air of Hope, rather than the err of Hope. While Hope may be in the air, one’s being needs the lungs of the soul to be healthy to extract what you are saying is near everywhere en masse.

WD … an exquisite completion of the analogy.

I’ll go out on a limb here … our thought exchange may be manifestation of the emerging phenomenon labelled “Collective Wisdom”. As I understand the notion … when two or more people put their ego(s) in their pocket … at least temporarily … and engage in friendly thought exchange … they end up in an unexpected ‘place’ … totally different from the ‘place’ they started from.

Isn’t there something in the NT to this effect … where 2 or more are gathered in my name … I’ll be there.

WD … some more emerging thoughts on your notion … “eternal flame of Hope”
While reflecting on your recent post the following thought raced between my ears … it didn’t stay long. :slight_smile:
The notion you labelled “eternal flame” may be thought of as a central source … a central fountain … for both Hope and Love.
While the thought was racing through the empty space in my mind … my memory coughed up a graphic I shared several months ago in another OP. The graphic was created by a young female Chinese visual communications student.
The centre of the graphic is what Chinese people call Ba Gua en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagua. The concentric circles radiating outwards from the centre suggests to me … beings who reside further from the source … the centre … the fountain … experience weaker rays of Love and Hope … with all the attendant consequences.
One might argue that mankind’s unbridled confidence in science has continuously pushed mankind away from the centre … the source … the fountain … again with all the attendant consequences.

I understand, that’s why I inquired about juicing up their fountains, boosting their weak or non-existent signals, gifts, but how? Now we’re venturing into small miracles territory and its a vast region of unknown possibilities. Were you called on your walk of faith? [Edit: Did your higher self will you to reconnect with God or was God being absurdly direct?]